Looking into this more, it seems quite a buy. The force feedback is said to be pretty good. The Brunner is more than 25 times the price at least for just the base and doesn’t support direct input. Though I’m sure the force implementation is better. I think I read strength wise, it can provide about 10x the force feedback of the MS ffb2. I’m not very handy or else if I find I like it, I would mod the microsoft one.