MGonzales

I've monitored this thread for a long time and you're not the first to mention EF2000 and in the way you put it, "...or even ef2000...". Usually the request goes something like, "...at least ef2000...", referring I guess to having at least minimal requirements for still being considered a DC. I've read different opinions as to what exactly defines a true DC. Obviously a persistent world is required, as well as missions generated to reflect the current state of the world. My own opinion (or preference) is that a DC should allow you to observe the playing out of an entire campaign without you ever participating. As with F4, EF2000 allows you to do this, to watch in fast-forward 2D action the activity of every minute of the clock, spanning for days, moving icons of planes and ships fulfilling their missions over a wide area (4m sq. km in this case). Of course F4 is several levels higher in features (full ground war) and detail (morale). A very low-res video of EF2000's DC in action (after targeting recon)... http://198.65.10.229/DID/Temp/EF2K_DCA.wmv And the files generated and constantly updated by the campaign... http://198.65.10.229/DID/Temp/campaign.cg.txt http://198.65.10.229/DID/Temp/mission.cfg.txt http://198.65.10.229/DID/Temp/sum0.txt Regardless that EF2000 is DOS-based dating back to the mid-'90s, there still has to be a heck of a lot of code to generate those files of world persistence and numerous missions (air, sea and limited land). Hardware muscle may have increased exponentially since '95 but code still has to written, even more so today for the same features supporting current standards and level of detail. I'm in the initial stages of developing a program in VB6 to import and display all the information in those campaign files on a map... Slow going for now, I've used VB6 for years but never for graphics, a zoom-able pan-able picture box has been quite a new challenge for me. I just can't wait to see what all is there because the game's DC feedback (what they decided you need to know) is very limited, and there's a lot more to those files.

Well of course not, there's fanboys and there's haters, which makes these OT anti-F22 threads entertaining. -- Mark

I have to admit, one of the main reasons I lurk on this board is for the always entertaining anti-F-22 threads, and this one looks like it's not going to disappoint. Thanks, VVanks. :thumbup: -- Mark

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=15612&highlight=raptor There were other threads here and elsewhere. IIRC, the conclusion was that Chuck Norris must have been piloting that Hornet. -- Mark

Where's the F-14?! -- Mark

In the spirit of this thread, the best CPU or video card in the world wouldn't necessarily be the fastest or most capable, but rather the best bang-for-the-buck, right? -- Mark

I see what you guys are getting at now. I guess it's the same as comparing a Corvette to a Porsche (and possibly a Ferrari, too lazy to look it up). All factors considered, the 'Vette wins, right? I'd rather be driving a Porsche or Ferrari though (nothing against a Corvette, they're relatively affordable and keep getting nicer). -- Mark

And here's the opposing propaganda... http://198.65.10.229/DID/Su-35_Combat_Promo.avi (please right-click and save) That video pretty much shows what usually happens to me in EF2000 when I come up against an Su-35. :) -- Mark

But aren't you trying to start a pointless argument with your poll / comments? :) We'd be better off with a looks comparison poll IMO, in which case the Su-35 would win and the F-22 and F-35 would be at the bottom of my list. But who says flying death is suppose to be pretty (i.e. A-10)? Having watched many propaganda videos from all sides, if it were my life on the line, I'd want to be strapped in the back seat of a Raptor (if a 2-seator F-22 existed). Even if the navigation software aborted and they had to pry us out of the cockpit after we landed, I'd still take my chances on the F-22. -- Mark

The Falcon 4.0 CD (even Allied Force) has no type of copy protection so be sure to make a backup of your next one. :) __ Mark

Episode "IF I'M DYIN', I'M LYIN'" I've been watching a Family Guy DVD marathon while doing some big scanning jobs, I heard the quote and couldn't help but go back to this thread. Other funny stuff from that episode... "Black to the Future" with Marty McSuperFly "Marty, I want to be your fine sweet-a** b****." "Damn, brother done kissed his mamma!" "Get me Isaac Hayes. Isaac, you know that new sound you been looking for? Well, listen to this!" LOL! :) -- Mark

Yeah Beach, that is a REALLY cool pic! -- Mark

If the number of hours played determines where you rank a sim, then MP's F-117 sim would still be considered my favorite game of all time! Maybe partly because in the early '90s I didn't have people on message boards telling me what all was wrong with my sim. I also wasn't constantly online looking for a patch, update or mod, and I had no idea how realistic it was nor did I even care. I just played the game for hours on end by my lonesome (usually at night in dim lighting) and I had so much fun doing so! :) My return to flight sims ~4 years ago after about a 10 year hiatus was to find something to play on my PC similar to F-117. I had no idea where to start looking and my search eventually ended with DID's Total Air War, which is similar in many ways but can still be played on current PCs. Now I play all types of flight sims today (even MSFS) but that arcade-feeling-uber-stealth-plane with make-no-apologies-for-concessions-to-realism game play keeps me playing these types of sims more than any other. The only thing I want even more than an updated Eurofighter, F-22, or F-35 sim is a new F-117 sim. I can appreciate that not everyone is interested (some felt MP's F-117 was boring, especially with the more realistic Lockheed model vs. the Microprose model with a/a and Carrier capabilities while flying daytime missions), but F-117 was my kinda game! -- Mark

FO isn't competition to Lock On until you can purchase it. -- Mark

Lead Pursuit isn't developing FO though. :) LP has the lead of everyone IMO as they have in their possession the ultimate DC (my favorite part of F4, not the complex avionics). Adding graphics to that would be pretty sweet (just improved, not necessarily cutting edge, I still want consistently high FPS in a flight sim). Lock On has the mission recorder / playback system which I believe will return my favorite feature of Hornet Korea and Jane's USAF. I'm looking at new PCs now which can run Lock On comfortably. -- Mark

Oops, the Juice Games site seems to be down. They were recently bought out by THQ... http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=96376&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=827180&highlight= ...so I guess their site is no more. -- Mark

It's a long shot, but I'd say a merger of two UK developers who make car racing games for PlayStation... Evolution Studios... http://www.evos.net/ and Juice Games... http://www.juicegames.com/html/company.html That would give you Digital Image Design (DID)... http://www.raes.org.uk/fl-sim/FSG%20Aerospace%20June%201997.htm Say, EF2000 with Lock On's graphics and FM...one can dream, right? :) -- Mark

Back on topic...da Rapta rulez! http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=110289 (see Redbird33's links for many good pics) -- Mark

All righty then. :huh: Anyway, here's what I'd like to replace my X52 with... :joystick: -- Mark

DID's Total Air War. The way you make an F-22 sim interesting and fun is to (optionally) give the player more to do than just fly the F-22, like being War Room General or AWACS Commander of several HUGE dynamic campaigns, with changing political alliances and time limits to achieve your objectives. Also, stealth planning, management and stalking rank high on my fun-to-do list. TAW is anything but boring, IMO. Even Microprose took the most boring a/c of all, the F-117, and made an incredibly immersive game of it, IMO. It can be done. -- Mark

LOL! :lol: -- Mark

If the Raptor uses "an old type" stealth then what's the current or new type? -- Mark

Yup. Once again a bunch of F-22 stuff I've collected that I'm hosting... http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=64;t=001115 -- Mark

And a pic of the office... -- Mark

I agree with everyone here. The F-22 is gorgeous... http://www.lt-solutions.com/images/Raptor/051017-F-2295B-208.jpeg Can't wait to see one in person. -- Mark