silvergh0st

For info the main thread in which ED are responding on this is

Thanks for the link.

Same problem here. I use axes for trimming yaw, roll and pitch. In the P-47 suddenly all of them are limited to half range movement. I believe they used to work correctly but now don't so the plane is not really flyable. The same problem does not affect the P-51, Mosquito, Spitfire etc. I understand this is a bug that ED has introduced and has not fixed. I have not seen any acknowledgement from ED of the problem (it might exist but I haven't found it). In any case ED should be giving this high priority as they have broken the module for those of who use trim axes. It also cannot be a difficult fix. ED can we please have a clear acknowledgement of this problem and an indication of when the bug will be fixed so we can return to flying the module. Thanks PS It would also be much better if there was a clear list of accepted bugs and their fix status.

Same problem here FFB trim works ie repositions stick central position but otherwise it appears to be a constant spring force independant of speed and with no stall shake etc. I hope this is a bug that you are going to fix cos I wouldn't have bought the module if it was meant to be like this. Your HUEY and Mi-8 are absolutely wonderful models. I really hope you are going to make this FFB work as it should. Silver

You do realise that we are talking about simulated flying of simulated planes, for fun, and that most of us have absolutely no expectations of ever flying real military planes/helicopters? So why would you want to insist that we compromise our enjoyment and flying experience by using our non-dominant hand which feels wrong and awkward. Left handed people tend to have better developed visio-spatial ability which I am sure they/we would compromise if not using our natural dominant hand. In order for my flying experience to be as realistic as I could make it, my priority was on the real dynamics of flight and control feedback so I decided that a force feedback system was an absolute priority and it adds a great deal to the experience of flying warbirds, GA planes and helicopters. You seem to have compromised your experience by missing out on one of the most fundamental aspects of flying but tell others to lessen the quality of their experience and enjoyment by conforming to a standard that is unnecessary in the simulated world. While I agree it is much easier to buy a standard HOTAS to give fingertip control of military jets that is a limited view of flying and its experiences. If you are truly interested in flying try flying a P51 or a Huey with your Warthog setup and tell me that you are not losing out a great deal compared to a more realistic setup with force feedback. Its all about suitability for your needs and priorities and the individual enjoying the experience as much as possible and for me that naturally involves flying with my left hand.

DIY I much prefer to fly with my left hand on the stick so decided to make my own HOTAS setup via mods. I use a MSFFB2 stick with the grip changed for a CH flightstick pro grip ie neutral handed, to which I have added 2 extra 4 way hats. I use a Saitek throttle quadrant with homemade handles made from plastic pill containers into which I have mounted 3 5 way switches for use with the DCS A-10. All switches controlled via a Leo Bodnar card. I've also made a right hand collective which is great for Helicopters - love the Huey. All works great and is much preferable to flying with my Right hand. Also adapting the controls has been very interesting to do. silver

It works fine with simFFB as long as you don't use the Gazelle Force Trim button as that currently seems to be programmed for centre sprung joysticks and goes totally screwy with a FFB stick.

I have just got the Gazelle having flown the Huey quite a bit. Its an interesting challenge and I am surprised at the change in lift from very slight changes in pitch - hard to avoid porpoising. I am using a Sidewinder FFB stick and the force trim system doesn't seem to work correctly. If I deflect the stick in any direction and release the force trim button the control indicator jumps further in the direction of deflection. If I then keep the stick in the same position and press and release the force trim button the control indicator jumps further in that direction. Its almost as if the system is coded for a centre sprung stick and is taking the amount of deflection as the amount of extra trim required. SimFFB seems to handle the forces fine and the force trim as long as I am not using the Gazelle force trim setup. I realise Polychop has not fully implemented their FFB system yet and look forward to further fun / enjoyment when they do. Many thanks for another fun sim to fly. silver

Just in case anyone else is interested in the response from the support team here it is: 'Not a bug. This lag introduced specially, because maximum rotation speed is limited in real aircraft. You can't momentary set trimmers to desired position. It works as intended.' This doesn't accurately reflect the observed behaviour as the knobs start rotating slowly and then speed up and as always it is this acceleration that causes problems as you end up with more adjustment than you want. The only way to get reasonable behaviour is to make several smaller changes. A consistent linear limited speed would be better.

Question re Trim adjustment speed. Hi Guys. Great product and real fun to fly. My question is about the speed of response to changes in trim controls. I use 3 potentiometers connected to a Leo Bodnar card for elevator, rudder and aileron trim. This works absolutely fine in FSX with the A2A P51 but the trim wheels respond very slowly in the P51 in DCS. I use a Force Feedback joystick so can feel when the right level of trim is reached however there is too much lag between making an adjustment and the wheels reaching the new position. Any ideas why this is. Many thanks silvergh0st