Fredo_69

I would certainly be equally happy for a Draken! But it's not a first gen fighter like You first suggested... :smilewink:

It was closely inspired by the Focke Wulf Ta 183 Huckbein.

While I am promoting the J-29 Tunnan, I can mention that it's cockpit has already been 3D-modeled by ScaleDetalils. You can watch beautiful cockpits at ScaleDetails Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/scalecockpits/

As opposed to the Viggen the Tunnan saw actual combat. It made a great difference for the UN troops in Kongo! And it didn't only serve in the Swedish Air Force, like the Viggen did. Systems vice I guess its a quite "simple" airplane to model? (Sertanely compared to the Viggen anyway.) But it used both attack rockets and later Sidewinders.

Yes, how about SAABs J-29 Tunnan to battle it out with the Mig-15 and Sabre?

I destroyed a frigate the same way... Look from 4:30 into the vid: That Gaz physical model is just flawed. AND also notice that I flew it without SAS (look left and see the gyro turned off). And helicopter continues to run submerged at the end... :-) :-o

Please, You as a dev of this "helicopter" should know that ITS THE SAME! It's Dead in the air"...

Last time I flew it, it was like manoeuvring a moon-lander in vacuum. No response to wind or turbulence, other then drifting with the wind. Watch my video...

BUT.... .. . the laws of physics - are the same!

Yes, that FM is so simplified it's tragic. Unworthy of DCS...

What are you talking about? The devs think the FM is very close to reality!!! I don't believe it... It's like manoeuvring a moon-lander in vacuum - dosen't react to wind or anything... This must be a bad (!) joke...

Hi EagleFox, I feel just like You! What bothers me most is the totally unprofessional way in which most criticism of the Gazelle has been handled by the devs. I've been ridiculed for my avatar... They have "threatened" that there is in fact real Gazelle pilots monitoring what people write about their bird in this forums... And when the criticism hasn't stopped they have threatened that they won't listen any more... Down right childish and totally unprofessional! I'm so very disappointed with Polychop!

When I read all the fanboys defending the FM I come to think of H.C. Andersens "The emperors new clothes"! :-o

+1

"Maverick Su-35S" has posted the best formulated questioning of the FM (I think) here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178530&page=3 The Gaz FM is disconnected from the air and is much like manoeuvring a moonlander in vacuum. It can certainly be both difficult and fun, but has not much to do with rotorcraft flying...

Yes, its only the +/-5 deg lines. You find all information in the manual here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180252

"Iconic" is in the eye of the beholder... In Sweden it's iconic!

Yes, little Sweden and SAAB has certenly produced unbelivable jetfighters - and Draken is THE "pin-up" of them all...

Good text passage from a RAF pilot interview: Squadron exchanges were a regular occurrence at Coltishall, and while on 41 Mike participated in a particularly interesting one with F6 wing of the Swedish Air Force at Karlsborg, flying the AJ37 Viggen. Right from the start, he and his colleagues realised that much was exceptional about the way the Swedes trained and operated, not least considering that the majority of the pilots were effectively doing national service. ‘When you looked at the people who were flying the aeroplanes, I thought that we could learn from this, definitely. The guy who flew me was a Honda 500cc works motorcycle rider; they had rally drivers, go-kart racers, all kinds of things. These weren’t people with good degrees in underwater basket-weaving, these were people who were recruited to fly the Viggen. The first to go up in the Viggen was our boss, Hilton Moses. I remember going out with him to the aeroplane and seeing him laughing and smiling, and then seeing him getting out and coming back to the crewroom looking like he’d just been put through some kind of crazy combination between a fairground ride and a washing machine. Then I went flying in the afternoon, and it changed my life. ‘They would fly around at Mach 0.95, 650kt give or take a bit, and they trained at 10m. We flew through firebreaks in trees, we flew all over northern Sweden at 30ft, and we never went below 600kt. All of this, I should add, was done under about a 150 to 200ft overcast with no breaks. In the RAF, anybody who wanted to get old would not have flown in that weather. After about 40 minutes, we pulled up into cloud, and the pilot then flew a 4-degree hands-off approach with his hands on his head into a remote airstrip, landed, reversed into a parking bay, did an engine-running refuel without any communication with the people on the ground except hand signals, taxied out and took off in the direction that we’d landed in. Wind
 direction just wasn’t factored.Then we did some approaches onto roadways, flying at 15 or 20ft to clear the cars and warn them that there were going to be some aeroplane movements before doing practice approaches. And the aerobatics beggared belief. The next day, it was time to take the Swedish pilots flying in the Jaguar. I was at a bit of a loss as to how I was going to mission was on 19 January, and even then explain to this guy that we flew at 420kt when they flew at 620kt. So I decided that the way ahead was to leave the part-throttle reheat in, accelerate to 620kt and then give him the aeroplane. That’s what I did I tookoff,and gave him control at 620kt and about
 150ft. He pushed the nose down, took the Jaguar down to 30ft and proceeded to fly it at about 30 to 40ft and 600kt-plus quite happily. It knocked all the myths about who’s got the best aeroplanes, who’s got the best-trained pilots and so on. The Swedish Air Force had aeroplanes that were light years ahead of anything the RAF had, or was going to get, or has got now, and their pilots were in a totally different league to us. This was not just an individual — I flew with three of them, and all three were like that. Each of them was able to fly the Jaguar faster and lower from the back seat than I could from the front seat.

Hello Borchi! Well that was not the type of response I was hoping for - for shure... Did You even read Mavericks posts? (Those are serously "realistic and well communicated" criticism.) Do You think You can continue this charade much longer? Cheers, Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year to everybody!

Ok :) Well, I to hope we will get some thorough feedback on Mavericks post from the Devs!

Hi Hermes! I'm having great difficulty understanding your point in your last post. Language barrier...? /Fredo

First: Thank you Maverick, you manage to so eloquently put words on what I’ve been trying to communicate for a long time now! Secondly: Please fill out Polychops bug template (including much from your previous post in it) and post it in the ”Bugs & problems” thread, otherwise I don’t think Polychop will acknowledge. Thirdly: I bought the Gaz six months ago. Quite early I started to question its strange FM. Polychops initial response was that it had been tested by ”RL Gaz pilots” and been found to be ”very close to the real thing”, thereby trying to kill any discussions and whipe any problems under the carpet (my impression). This has gradually changed so that Polychop now acknowledges(!) that the FM needs ”tuning” and that they are awaiting further ”evaluation by RL pilots”… ”Tuning” for me is adjusting parameters and coefficients in the FM to get correct accelerations and rates, and it can probably be tricky and require lots of testing. But letting RL Gaz pilots evaluate this FM any further is wasting their precious time! As You Maverick so well described the FM misses vital parts of helicopter aerodynamics in it, and is now much like manoeuvring a moon-lander in vacuum. t was long since I last coded something but I would guess that we are talking of at least a couple of hundred lines of code needing to be added to the FM, to simulate the missing parts of helicopter aerodynamics? IF JUST Polychop could acknowledge this, instead of talking about ”tuning” and having to wait for mor RL pilot testing - the FM needs to be completed in all parts (still though requiring tuning) before further RL pilot testing will be of real use.

I consider the "J35 Draken" to be one of the most beautiful airplanes ever concieved (if not even THE ONE). Would really like to be able to fly it in DCS some day...

Ive never had a CTD before in DCS but now I got one. I dived fast and suddenly the right wingtip ripped of my Spit and started to burn - soon afterwords CTD... I've been flying mostly the Sabre and Huey before and never suffered a CTD.