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Thank you I will try that too and see what happens.

That was a lot of emotions addressing not much of what I really posted. I never questioned the FM being true to Gazelle? Or claimed to be a real pilot, although I have flown a few choppers and props in life, so not just a 'gamer'. Prolly quadruple the age and life experience of any here. Now: I literally requested a fall back to what I paid for option in settings. Several times. That is not a demand. I literally re-restated the obvious of 15 pages of frustrated players requesting help with the FM. If anyone can't see that there is no helping them up. All the rest of the above, there is no telling where it was pulled from to hijack the thread and my simple requests and ideas.☺ And I have posted with far more respect than being shown here. Do better or avoid answering please. Again, this request has been implemented in other games successfully and there is nothing wrong with requesting what we paid for as an option. Nothing at all. Don't care what any non devs think, there is no further need to continue to hijack the thread with the reading with retention issues making up things I never wrote. So, again, dearest Devs, how about an 'easy' or 'lite' or 'fallback' mode in the options? Oh, and IF there is a simple FM file I can switch out in 2.9 to fly with what I flew for all these years I once again A S K if anyone can steer me how to do it. Again, I am asking Devs and I am not asking for how much everyone wants to disagree and disrespect me for no reason.

I provided a perfectly viable solution. And I did so respectfully. There is nothing wrong with the solution as it has been used before successfully in other titles where players requested it. And, I never asked, "Hey, who disagrees with me and wants to be disrespectful?" It is pretty clear from over 15 pages of bewilderment posted that most people facing the 'UPGRADED" FM have found it unplayable and just want help. Me too. Some have offered what they think is help instead of showing their social issues, but the responses still seem to clearly be, 'OK..... will there be a patch to fix this...?' What flight model do I want HOIB?, I already said so. "Returning to 2.7 to fly". I flew Gaz just fine in 2.7, whatever happened between it and 2.9 ruined the FM for me. And apparently a lot of other people too. That's when I did not have these issues of trying to balance a bowling ball on top of a ten foot pole while standing on one leg in a canoe in stormy weather, while the laws of physics suffer seizures. As to 'realdcs' above; When is returning to a previously held [FOR YEARS] 'realistic' FM considered running away to Battlefield? This is your best? There are problems between MANY of the investors and the new FM. If you disagree at least take the effort to not get the thread hijacked with the above nonsense so there remains at least some small hope that this is not the FINAL STATE of the FM. It needs to be better. I am hoping to revert to what I paid for and enjoyed. So, are there certain files or settings I can copy from my last enjoyed FM, or does that make me undeserving of air and life itself to even dare ask?

Will the Special Options PRE 2.9 and/or FM 'Improvement' for the Gaz be returned to assist with rudder and other physics or not? If so when? Does anyone here know which files might possibly be transplanted from 2.7 to 2.9 to return the Gaz to a normal, A.K.A FUN and flyable condition? Because I liked it before it was rendered UNUSEABLE. And IF I want to fly it I have to return to my locked off protected 2.7 to do it. So, is that a possible solution maybe, to copy over a PRE-'Improvement" file perhaps? It looks like MOST INVESTORS liked it far better when it could be flown without going crazy for zero reasons every 20 seconds as well. Making something unflyable for most INVESTORS is not an improvement and does not equal making it more realistic. I play for FUN, not training to serve one day. I think most are about the same. Without going back through 15 loong pages of mostly off-topic, no real help, and excuses why worse and unflyable is better; Will there be ANY help, or is it toast?

Hi Bignewy, OK, tried it all. No go on the H drive. I still have version 2.7 that works on C though. Thankfully. Gave up on H drive which runs lots of everything just fine never any issues. Installer finally gave me option to install elsewhere. I tried C which is crowded with FS2020 and not what I wanted. It is currently installing to C now though?! WTH is wrong with H for ONLY DCS? I have TONS of Steam games and programs on H that both install and update all the time no issues? Regardless I don't know, but it is downloading the 2.9 to C as I type. I sure pray it does not kill my 2.7. I have NEVER had ANY good luck with an update not killing my previous stable. Thank you for you help. It will be tomorrow late before I have an hour free to see. I appreciate the help☺.

Hi BigNewy, I am given no choice where to install to. I have tried pasting the installer to 3 different drives and get only the same error. So it is already installing where it wants to regardless of my efforts, and not offering me any location choices. Its like it is skipping steps? I also tried deleting the installer and redownloading. 5 times. I will search my drives and see if I have another beta from yesteryear like you suggested and see what I can do. Thank you☺

Hi BigNewy, I have a good functioning stable version of DCS installed on SSD Drive C which I have temporarily changed the name to DCS World OLD to protect it. I don't want it screwed up as this has happened to me in the past multiple times always. Always ending in lost DAYS of frustration and total reinstalls of game and all DLC. Days of my life lost, many times. Not worth it. What I am trying to do is I downloaded the 2.9 installer to my SSD H drive. It gives me no option which drive to install to or where, every attempt it runs through the little routine with the warning and if I want Caucus & Marianna then crashes with the dreaded Failed to secure pipe error. I wanted it on a separate drive as I want space left over on my currently well working DCS stable install on the C drive. I also have FS2020 there and want to keep lots of room for it and the functioning trusted DCS from years past. Either a 3 year old stable version that works or this pipe error, again, which never got solved from 2021. No other game or software has had this issue, no other mentions on the web but mine. That's where I am at.

Trying to install 2.9 separately to a different SSD as I don't want to screw up the one working much older install by updating. Nothing I have tried gets past this crash trying to install. Searched these forums and the web and my previous fight with this bug from 2021 is all that will return. No other issues like this ever anywhere for nay game, just DCS over and over. Yes, opened a support ticket years ago and as usual was never helped by anyone. This is why I have changed the folder name of my one working install and will not update it. Would like to install 2.9 to a different SSD where I used to have a functioning DCS years before. Will anyone help please?

Brand new 8 core 11th gen Pentium, 32 gb ram, ssd, gtx2080. WMR Samsung O+ ************ Runs everything including FS2020 on high to Ultimate and Smoooooooooooooooooooooth in BEUTIFUL VR. But not DCS VR. for the super-majority of invested players, VERY poor performance and visuals. It was said today in these forums that most people with settings tweaks get good VR. This is not true. Not at all. That is NOT reality for most at all. Some do, MOST certainly do not. When one LISTENS to online MP and posts and reviews and chatter one sees that most DCS VR players definitely do NOT get good performance or beauty in DCS Vr. Same here. Same going into the 5th year of no hope. Kaleidoscope vision. Dirty Beer goggles. LOWEST settings possible just to achieve the 60fps for the 60hz settings but, and I know that these words have never been heard before, but STUTTERS, stutters, stutters. Now, no more wasted words about ongoing efforts to improve yadda yadda. That is political speak not specific or promising for anything. That is a copy/paste party line for years now and zero results from it. We all know this is not the case. The published ED roadmaps are all about jets and maps and maybe someday the 2018-2019 often discussed vulkan and multicore could happen. As I mentioned in my 2 banned threads as well as today's LOCKED thread, that was 4 years ago. DCS VR does NOT run better today, not even on my new wonder rig. It looks prettier today, that is not performance or optimization. Pretty and a lagfest sucks. It is not worth waiting 4 more years for nothing but worse or same. So, lets all be mature about this and stop misdirecting everyone about rigs, balancing and settings. Turning diehards against those that see may deflect but it solves zilch. Ed needs to listen to those of us VR investors whose wallets have been harder and harder to open these last few years. The updates and patches have NOT been kind to VR. None of us VR flyers have benefitted these last 3 to 4 years patches for pancake players and pretty videos and of not even being on the backburner of any roadmap since prior to 2018. >IF< the future of flight sims is indeed VR as ED admitted in video 3 months ago, then it may not be DCS leading that future as things are right now, if it continues to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the #1 complaint and request of VR INVESTORS. And we here are only the tip of the iceberg. Most have long since thrown in the towel on DCS VR and ragequit. I know of 23 right now who have uninstalled DCS for over 8 months in disgust. I am sure the numbers are not skyrocketing these days the way it would be hoped for. I listen to the community and I am the community. ED needs to listen too. Myself, not one more U$D until DCS VR is fixed and can run like other flight sims are already running on beautiful rigs like mine. If that means no updates for DCS VR for the 5th year in a row on into 2023 then that means no money from me this year. Again. And it ain't just me. And someone at ED surely can see this without me I am sure. Lowest settings are not acceptable. Blaming customers' rigs and settings no longer acceptable or believable. Ignoring that VR is barely functioning going into the 5th year is not acceptable. Focus on payware and not the #1 requested, complained about and MUCH needed VR optimizations in roadmaps 5 years running is not acceptable. Locking threads & CENSORSHIP is not acceptable. Blaming dwindling sales and waning interest in DCS &/or VR on ANYTHING but garbage VR performance and lack of prioritizing optimizing this wonderful but ancient code is no longer acceptable. It simply is not to be believed that VR has not been improved going into year 5 now. How can this be joked about here today? ED will always have a few diehards that will turn on anyone who dares to disagree with the party line and talking points. For ED's sake, I hope they have enough $$ to keep DCS fed and clothed while everyone else continues to read the writing on the wall and throw in the towel. I don't want to at all, but I already just reinstalled after a 9 month break from this nonsence. Thought I would try again on a brand new rig. But it AIN'T the rigs that ruins this. It is not the players either. ED, DCS VR performance is not acceptable. Not for years now. Most say this yet nothing makes it better or puts it on the stove. Since it ain't on the stove for ED, Ed is off the stove with me again. And more and more are abandoning ship. IF ED wants to RECLAIM its share of the established market that had enough and bailed then they need to TURN FOCUS finally to the #1 requested and complained about thing in VR and that is fixing the extremely poor performance and visuals. If you all cannot hear this after multitudes of people saying it going into year 5 of VERY poor VR for the majority, then there is no hope for years 6-10. Sure hope you turn things around ED. Can lead a horse to water, but you can't force them to listen to the investors and optimize the decades old code for today's multicore PC's. I sure hope there comes along some good horse whisperer to drive this home. I sure like a happy ending. We all want to LOVE LOVE LOVE this sim.

I thank you for the orange background help. That was seriously frustrating!☺ The first response to it spoke volumes, my response was generous and entertaining and there we have a proper thread hijacked once again by emotionalism and projecting. As to my rig, which has not been the problem for 20 years of Flanker through to DCS as my rigs always exceed the specs from on PC to the next, it is: 11th gen Pentium, 8 core, 32GB memory, 2080GTX on SSD. The problem is not rigs it is ancient single core restricted code. Took years of forum abuse to establish that, I do not know why. I appreciate the help but it is not my settings. Lowest of the low at 60hz. Horrible to look upon. From Flanker on up this engine has always been overkill for even high systems of their day. None of those cries and pleas for help solved anything back then, and as such the sim entered a new phase more demanding than the last. That is the honest history for 2 decades. That's why I have been so worried these last 5 years of being patient and in the dark. As far as patient, entering the 5th year now. This time for VR. That is patient. The VERY definition of patient. Supremely patient. As one yearly roadmap after another comes and goes away focused only on payware and snazzy sales videos and trying to complete the standing paywares from years past. That's simple history to those who have been around. I have been for decades now. The greatest enemy of DCS is the poor performance. Not the lack of aircraft or maps. Not the lack of patience of investing customers. Not the rigs or the settings. That statement holds true for all previous incarnations back to Flanker, as it is the same base code per past revelations on these forums. I don't disbelieve that and see no reason to. My letter is honest and is the pulse of online DCS VR even as current as today's discussions in matches and as old as DCS VR itself. The cure comes only from ED. The hope is this month, this year. If I cannot fly in VR what I already own on such a powerful rig that runs everything else flatout, then there is zero desire to throw more money at problems that refuse to be addressed in a timely manor. 5 years is not a timely manor. Especially while everything was all about new aircraft and addons. I am not emotional, wrong or dramatic for pointing out the obvious. Just facts. No cussing or meanness. This is not a vent, not just another ragequit by someone burned out on waiting for the right priority to be recognized. If this is taken as insult non was provided, these are the wasy it has always been here. Those ways are broken and costing ED income and growth. Not the customers faults for not waiting enough years in a row. And blame fixes nothing and does not increase sales or VR performance. The goal is that we hear about and get to experience some reward for our years of patience waiting while most other ED wants and needs were focused on instead of fixing VR. That is not evil, not mean, not disrespectful and not wrong to post. And I am not asking will this pretty please be the year VR gets fixed please please please. I am expecting it if I am ever to spend another U$D here. So far the answer has been a firm no. Make it yes. Make it YES YES YES!

Although I do respectfully sympathize with your struggle, I do wonder if my post about DCS VR optimization was the perfect venue for you come out of the closet about this reading disorder limitation you speak of? Regardless, admitting you have the problem is the first big step. There is a big world out there with cereal boxes, instruction booklets and fun articles awaiting you to conquer them. I encourage you to seek the help you need and work your way through your issues. Just like the sound barrier was broken by brave men, you too will break the 2 sentence barrier limitations I am sure of it, Good Luck friend, you have a community rooting for you now!

2018 was the last real VR update scheduled with its hoped for 50% performance increases. That's 4 years past. Not too long ago a few brilliant modders invested a few weekends into the INCREDIBLE VR shader mods. The community response was legendary HERO status and thankful respect. Very well deserved too. Ed, why not try to build upon some of their hard work? 2022 and the chief most talked about VR topics are STILL these last 4 years of stutter-fests, lags, CTD's, VR blindness from blurries, the lingering inability of most sim-investors to even run DCS well in VR on settings above bare minimum. The #1 talked about topic, the #1 complaint 4 years in a row. Obviusly, it doesn't matter how new or awesome an aircraft is if you cannot fly it well in VR like all us VR junkies are still waiting patiently for. We all remember reading about the roadmap interest in multicore, vulkan and a mention of VR back in 2018-2019. But we are ALL still waiting. Nothing is running any better in VR today than it did from way back then. I myself am entering my second year not investing further into DCS until my 11gen Pentium/GTX2080 can run DCS in VR properly. Why pour money into payware that will not run well in VR again this year? This is honest and respectful. The community respects that you have a business to run Ed, and a bottom line to make. Believe it or not, we want ED to be RICH too! But the payware has to be able to run in VR for those of us who years ago left pancake flight behind to be addicted to VR. Enter 2022 and there remains a VERY vocal dissatisfaction with VR's unfinished and broken backbone that is undeniable and growing impossible to ignore. Censoring us here does not quite the roar in MP, videos, reviews, articles et al. Ideally, maybe bump some of the all important payware and give us VR paying customers the desire to play, the reason to return in force and to want to continue to invest our money into this wonderful & addictive sim. Ed wants sales, and VR players want to be able to fly without nausea, and on settings high enough to be able to tell a tree from a tank beyond ½ mile out. The pressure should not be on customers to invest in super computers or to surf more hours than flying for fps tweaks. The problem is not the players or their PC's, the problem is single core constricted code and zero improvments to VR. ED, you said yourselves in video 3 months ago that VR was the future. You are 100% right on the money; BUT ONLY if that VR is playable for most people. You want profits and we want to play and buy more. Only ED can make that happen. We have been patient for 4+ years now. Please reward us this year with results worthy of the long fruitless wait. My apologies for the orange highlights, cannot figure out how to clean them off??☺

Thank you. OK I opened a support ticket. Man, I am totally stumped here. I have searched my brains out and cannot find anything close to what I am experiencing. And I thought i remember a lot of "cannot secure/open pipe" errors many others were having months ago.. Regardless: * When I try to update DCS from 2.5.6 to newest 2.7 I get error message FAILED TO WRITE PIPE : (109) The pipe has been ended Failed to Secure the pipe ........ ... ... .. In order to fix myself I kept the old install of 2.5.6 intact and downloaded DCS 2.7 to another drive. It worked, I liked it BUT it would NOT allow me to use ANY of my paid for content. Same error message every time I tried to activate one of my paid for modules. It will not secure the pipe and crashes... I dunno how long a reply will take for a ticket, but this was my first day off in over 4 weeks... Hoping for the best and soon☺ Thank you friends

Well, failing to get help here I opted to download to a separate drive. Still curious as to how the new 2.7 is without screwing up my tweaked and functioning 2.5.7. So far the download has locked up 3 times over night. It just stops downloading. All other games from Epic & Steam etc download with no issues... Got around 48gb but not willing to sacrifice my day off to letting it ever so slowly download until tomorrow again. It should actually work and not have to be babysat? Any tips are welcome. Just want to play without investing more time into getting things set up and playable than actually spent playing. I mean, it took hundreds of forum hours and Youtube videos just to get my 2.5.7 tweaked and running smooth in VR over the last year +..... Life should be a little easier than this☺ Somebody please help get me up and bragging instead of seeking rescue from the latest fumble please☺

Thank you. I had found that in my search too. Problem is that I do not fully understand what they are saying to do. I know only just enough to be dangerous or confused at times LOL. What I have is a SSD called H:Fly that I have all my flight sims on. I was trying to put 2.7 on while keeping my 2.5.7 intact, just encase I don't like 2.7 Is there any way please to do this? I used to have dual installs, a 2.5 and a separate 2.7 on the same drive with no problems. Somehow things are different with 2.7 or I jut forgot something?☺