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Not to worry, you had me at hello. I'll be back in the states in a few weeks and it's on. Ironically not long ago by happenstance I had the original spiral bound F4 manual in my hands as I was sorting some stuff out in the flight sim pile. I really enjoyed that one...

By the time I master the Hornet it will be 5 bucks and my phone will be able to get 100 fps running it! O_o Kidding aside I was kinda head in sand on this one and didn't realize it was even on pre-order until I saw footage show up on YouTube. Kicking myself now...

You are putting the selector in the mode you are programming when you program it? In other words program all mode 1 commands with the selector in mode 1, mode 2 with the selector in mode 2, etc.

Same on the panel, I'm completely converted over to VR and don't use one anymore. IMO you should have pricing that offers the bunch at a discount but also has separate pricing per piece. Something to keep in mind is that if the product is good getting anything into a simmers hands is going to be good because you've just given what amounts to cocaine to an addict. They'll be back for more.

Personally I love the newer MX master series. I get weeks out of a charge unlike the Razers I've had which needed to be plugged back in every time you finished a session. I like being free from the need to carry batteries when I travel or worse, try to find batteries in small city in a foreign country. Love the extra buttons in both work and play. I have a newer one I bought about a year ago to replace the first one. That one was still working fine but I was nervous about it's age so I gave it to one of my kids. Turns out it's still running. So what does this have to do with high prices on EOL products. In my opinion you can get a better mouse now and I've owned the subject of this scrutiny. Also, at first I was thinking size when I read high. Then I thought, maybe the mouse is acting erratically. Then I thought I would click in and see just exactly what was going on with this high mouse situation. :)

I think you'll find the forum admins and mods helpful. Another alternative is to ask them to close one of the threads; the same content is largely on both leaving you little to lose.

Yes, there was never a reason to start another thread until you had a selling product. You can ask the forum moderators to assist you in the task of merging your current threads. IMO the way to go would be to merge the existing threads and keep on thread until you are ready for sales. At that point start a new thread with final specs, pictures, and purchasing information. you can then use that thread for new purchasers to ask questions and for owners of your product to ask questions, make bug reports, and inevitably, make requests for software revisions.

I think it's foolish to consider the old guys with discretionary income a weak market because the demographic is increasing by the day. I had pong when it first came out so I suppose I was in somewhere near the ground floor insofar as electronic gaming. Eventually I had kids. Now they've had kids a few of which are getting old enough to game themselves. My kids are getting to where they have some discretionary money themselves nowadays so you've got 2 generations with some buying power and that second one may be small now but it's going to be growing massively in the not too distant future. But whatever, someone will make and sell what I want and I've no love for the intelligence suck that is Facebook so I've no problem not sending any money their way.

We're having fun again WINWING. I've traveled extensively and I suspect you would have a good laugh if the same were said in your own language. I'm truly sorry you cant enjoy these things with us even though they are a non sequitur. Meanwhile, try and relax. We want you to make this product and we want to buy it if it is indeed worth buying. You have nothing to fear, you are among a community of people who live and breath this hobby. If you would be willing to take a suggestion... Use a translator; you are missing a lot of what we're saying and the context in which it is being said. I think you may not have access to google but there are others which are less effective but still work. Please understand I mean no disrespect with this suggestion.

True story, that. lol I've been operating under the forgiveness afterwards paradigm for quite some time now as I was never able to get the permission first system to work properly. :D

While you're at it can you design a seat with mounts for stick, throttle, and a platform that moves up, down, forward, and back in relation to the seat to mount our pedals on? Modular in most respects including screen mounts so folks could run VR, track IR, or plain ol screen like they did back in 2016. Extra credit for motion seat... :) Course then I'd have to figure out how to hide the costs or deal with Mrs Crab wandering by Louis Vuitton in a revenge spend. Sigh... O_o

You may want to consider reading up on what can be done with the software, you're going to give up on some capability without it. I ALT/Tab to the desktop and change profiles all the time and turn around and tab right back in. I also develop the profiles in game and adjust them by ALT/Tabbing, something like 10, 20, or even more profile changes in the same flight as I add or change key assignments. I do the same with Target and don't have any problem with ALT/Tabbing with it either.

Same for me, I sometimes forget that jokes often don't translate well and those were rather free form. I do know better, Mrs Crab hails from Russia and I've certainly ran into it before. Outside of the kidding around I'm sure he understands the question about the timing, it's come up enough in the thread and translators are quite powerful nowadays. I'm going to operate under the assumption he's not ready to give even a general time frame yet.

This is completely different from Virpil and VKB, you never had to wait with those guys... *facepalm* :) More seriously though, if you could, what is your time-frame WINWING? Are we talking about 3 months, 6 months, the half-life of Cesium?

Haven't seen the movie since it came out but as best as I can remember... You had me at hello. I have to be honest though, this community has seen a lot of broken promises and missed ship dates and I've tasted the pain myself. Speaking personally I'd much rather hear realistic estimates or nothing at all if there is no known realistic estimate.This isn't a call out and I understand new products can face various problems that have to be sorted out. I'd just like to feel like the outfit I'm buying from is giving me the simple respect of honesty. A few questions: Do you have shopping methods sorted out and if so what are they? Same with payments; is anything set up and if so, what?

I never got away from stutter until I went to 100 across the board. I also found that having V-sync/G-sync enabled seriously hurt my performance. Of course that seems par for the course in VR: One guy says do this and don't do that and it will work great and the next guy says you have to do the exact opposite. It's kind of frustrating that there isn't much of a "known working" methodology but I suppose that's part of being early to the show.

I notice a lot of interest on that thread despite most saying they've none here. I don't want a 1k throttle BTW, I want what I want for free and they throw in a nice bottle of wine for taking so long. Since that's not likely to happen I have to figure I'm going to pay something. Right now my options are a couple outfits that offer broken promises and missed ship dates but little else, one that has an ancient HOTAS which is OK but well behind current tech standards, one that is cheap crap but works, or various toys. If I gotta pay 1k, yeah, I'll pay it. I'd be willing to pay less though, make no mistake.

Will your software allow alternate modes?

The VKB throttle isn't out, you're talking about Virpil? VKB isn't a functional business, they have nothing on offer than promises made today that will be broken tomorrow.

There is a work-around to getting them for home use but I'm doubtful there can be much of a market for 4 to 16k throttles/sticks; this thread is instructive in that regard.

Again, the idea was it really is a thousand worth of throttle, whatever that means to the person responding. For me it would have to be extremely well made, precise, laid out so as to be able to support any aircraft, could be refurbished when worn. Over the years I've had 2 Cougars, a WH, CH, X-whatevers, MSFF, etc. I've got a lot of money into peripherals over time and that's not even counting the 3k laptops I've been buying so I can fly at work, multiple VR setups, all the rest of the fun stuff. To me such a stick might be an economical choice over time. As to Throttletek, it seems they are closing up shop and no longer taking orders. I had been waiting to see if they would resolve their QC issues before I got serious about a purchase over there. In fact it was on that thread where I began to wonder if they would have been able to make a go of it if the price point were lower or it's just too small a market. I would pay it for the right kit but was I alone? That then became this thread. Certainly it appears like the market would be slim; if you don't see support at this site for a flight sim peripheral it doesn't have much hope of success.

Looks like a strong trend toward, ah, hell no! Remember though, the premise up front is that the throttle really is 1k worth of throttle; it is your definition of what a throttle should be.

Imagine a throttle, it's a beaut, something that you would describe as well thought out and well built. The kind of well built that 1k buys. Would you buy in at that price? I would. Couldn't see going all the way up to something along the lines of what Bugeyetech has out there that can run 5 digits but 1k, I would do. I was just kinda wondering if I was the rare outlier or if there were more of us nuts. So that's it gents/gals: Are you in, seriously in, not just maybe kinda sorta depends. I'm talking you would go 1k for a throttle that checked all the right boxes? Would you spend more?

The Virpil is 330 plus shipping and VKBs throttle may not be out for a year or more and even when it does become available they'll make about 5 that wont ship for months and may in fact not have been available when they said they were available. Whenever that particular vaporwear does however become available (for those who define available as something you cant get) it will be priced similarly or a little higher than the Virpil throttle. I'm not aware of any throttles at that price point, it's either a toy, the stuff we buy in the lower hundred range, or the pro stuff that I think very few of us would buy. On the other hand 1k would have buyers, the question is how many? Not sure if I imagine a market just because I would do it or if others would be interested. It's going to be the topic of a thread in a few minutes. :)

Is it just me that thinks there is a market above the WH? I'm not talking stupid expense like the 5 digit stuff sold by a couple of vendors for use in pilot training, I'm talking perhaps the 1000ish range. I'd go there, seems like I'm not the only one.