Reaper-6

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6639157280870643805&q=F+pole&total=139&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0:) ...courtesy of 199th VNFS LOCsta.

Not with-standing the RL Pilots input, there’s nothing like seeing it work… http://www.iihr.uiowa.edu/products/dhrm.html http://web.mit.edu/fluids/www/Shapiro/ncfmf.html http://www.efluids.com/ http://homepage.usask.ca/~drs694/fluidmechanics.htm Where I get Physics questions answered… http://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=101 …the right tool for the right job.

Correct. I didn't fly the ground pounders much so I can't say, but I do the same in all the Fighters and it has always worked well for me. Getting the other guys panties in a bunch before a merge is half the battle. I understand the Macro'd ECM genie is already out of the bottle, and everyone has got to do what they feel is best for themselves. But all this really means is more time to finish your smoke & coke before the merge. I also understand the Dev's are doing what they can. But I must say the definition of cheating sure has seemed to changed over the years. ;) With that being said... Macro'd ECM Blinking = Cheating = "Macro B*tch" (i.e. All my little Macro B*tches) :D Be who your gonna be.

Nice work HOLLYWOOD ;) I actually started checking back in here a month ago figuring you were about to drop another one. Well worth my time. Props to ED for putting GA to work. It sure took you guys long enough thou.

Congrats vJaBoG32_Pjotr vJaBoG32_Prinzartus vJaBoG32_Laud Thanks for the Report Joe

It's not that Zero G doesn't deserve everything that was said too him and more, he does, for his actions alone. He put himself into this position, we are not too blame. But we are also reasonable Men, who can measure thier responses in light of new information no matter the situation. Let us all just do our best too strip the net of his B.S., and leave him to his shame and pain, that will be more than enough.

LMAO, I seen this yesterday and couldn't figure out why I kept thinking about it other than the obvious visual assault & mental scaring. Then this morning it hit me...Zuki remindes me of OddBall from Kellys Heroes. Zuki, if you don't already have them, ya gotta get an old Leather Flight Cap, Goggles & Silk Scarf. I've never seen anyone better suited too get away with that look. Zuki, that gear, & a Harley...Chick Magnet.:)

GA, I would like to see what a main stream T.V. commercial for B.S. would look like from you. Complete, as you would if you were marketing it. Bit of a challenge to get every thing in, in 30-45 sec, but it would be powerful.

LMFAO!

Ed should get some air time during the show. Anyone of the Great movie makers we have here would do it for them.

LMFAO ! Great Job, Good Luck.

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I know it's not a simulator but I must give honorable mention to my first toy plane, a very cool die cast WW2 F4 with folding wings and gear :D Then good 'ol Jimmy Jet Then Dare Plane (it flew around in a circle and you placed things to fly over or under) Ace of Aces (a great game) JFA-18 Lock-On

Brit, I took it just like you said. And didn't respond after you posted. And I took Red's post as a offhand reply to a bad scene, while taking a jab at the same time. Nothing more. It was Funny. I am beginning to believe that this forum is sapping peoples humor.

:D :D :D

:D He embarrasses himself (by letting someone outside his profession/industry know more than he does) and you, let him know I said so. Did you provide him the presented data or just ask him ? If he was presented with the data and came to that conclusion then he is terrible at math. All you have to do is program the (provided) formulas into an excel sheet or the like and plug in any attributes/values (missile or jet) you’d like, the results are the same. MISS. Ask him if you could, what he would say if “The Maneuver” is the FIRST/PRIMARY a2a missile evasion technique that IS programmed into the front line Unmanned Combat Vehicle that will replace some of his kind. And probably will cost less. Which ultimately means 1 of 2 things, they do not value him and his machine (which I don’t believe for a minute) or they do not trust him to employ it, physically or otherwise. Please, post it if you get a statement from him to that question, I love to rub peoples noses in sh*t they should have already known. Even if I have to wait a couple years. And while I kinda Hero worship any Fighter Pilot, he is wrong. What you’ve all seemed to miss, was the most base concept. At first I didn’t believe that most here didn’t understand it the way I do, but as time has worn on it became annoyingly apparent and pitifully funny. I realize that even as I explain it, and you read it in other documents, some will still not understand or be able to comprehend and accept the facts. Absolutely Pitiful, No Vision, Delusional, anyhow… When you fire a missile at a target, you are no longer in control and neither is the missile. The targeted vehicle is. The Target can “FORCE” the missile to go up/down/north/south/east/west, there fore “CONTROL” over the missile is achieved. To the possible extreme of exhausting a missile that was fired well within it’s pk. By definition Forced Control over anything achieves physical victory, especially since we are talking in reference to “semi-smart machines” (missiles) I decide which control surface is actuated on the incoming missile, it is just reacting. The only thing the missile controls is it’s detonation. I can put a bottle rocket in a cats ass for the same burn time control a missile exhibits over itself currently. That is the answer to Life, the Universe & Evasion. The number is 6 Also the Jet came before the Missile. One follows the other, literally, and in design. And since it’s another information give away day, I suggest the algorithm boys consider that the same information can be both classified and unclassified. Follow the Money and Proprietary information. In the America it would be the G.A.O. & the patent office. (PTO) Even if it (someone’s algorithms) makes it into a missile and becomes classified, they protected their work with a patent. And someone’s gotta pay for it, and they (the bean counters) will have a detailed receipt and assessment report. http://www.filefactory.com/?a49e34 Page # 12 http://www.filefactory.com/?e2c65c Seeker constraints ‘04, (Shaws “move” is directly referenced) Now that I think more about it, I have come to the partial conclusion that the difference between our camps on this subject is that of a Victor and Victim mentality. ie. When a missile is fired at some they can apparently feel as if they are a targeted (possible) victim of a missile attack. They generally set up for an F-Pole and await the results. Where as some others may feel as if, a launch is detected, they (the aggressor) has already blown it (by letting me the target know the attack is on it’s way) and will now pay the price. Part of that is assaulting the missiles limits (whatever they may be) before it gets to me while maintaining an aggressive posture, even in the middle of an attack or evasion technique. http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/text/missiles/aam.html http://sinisaaa.tripod.com/ http://www.patentstorm.us/class/244/3.15-Automatic_guidance.html http://www.patentstorm.us/class/244/3.13-Beam_rider.html http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=bluemax+aircraft+flight+path+generator http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Evading-Missiles.html http://surviac.flight.wpafb.af.mil/ http://www.ideal-aerosmith.com/products/missileflightsimulation.asp http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6832740.html http://www.bahdayton.com/SURVIAC/archive/surviac_bulletin/bulletin_9706/page1.html http://www.patentstorm.us/class/244/3.16-Optical_(includes_infrared).html http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&q=PRONAV+intercept+algorithm&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web http://www.saic.com/products/simulation/mfts/design.html http://www.saic.com/products/simulation/mfts/ http://www.bahdayton.com/surviac/bluemax.htm http://www.bahdayton.com/surviac/ http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=air+to+air+missile http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=missile+algorithms&imageField2.x=19&imageField2.y=12 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=missile+evasion http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=missile+radar http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=missile+radar+transmitter http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=missile+seeker http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=PRONAV+intercept+algorithm&imageField2.x=8&imageField2.y=12 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/search-results.html?search=radar+seeker&imageField2.x=14&imageField2.y=14 I am laughing at you, not with you….

I would like to thank those that gave me a "Rep" during the sh*t storm... My Pals :)

Do your own research

Exactly, perhaps you might wanna consider changing your "call sign" to Zombie Boy.

You may now remove your carcass from the field...leave your credibility...it's mine now ;)

Further up you said: and also said... Which one is true, do you have any material/sorces or not ? More B.S. We have yet to see any “source” from you, so until you can show it do not reference them. That’s the way an argument with real data develops. LMFAO, you are weak, it says that on the first page of the material I gave you. Weaker yet…Some of the papers were SPECIFICALLY on guidance algorithms. FOS Only to you. Yes we do, you may have to actually read to form an actual informed statement though. . It does exactly. Why do you continually comment on things you don’t even concern yourself to be versed in. To a degree sure, how could you avoid those variables when you go to plug in to the formulas/computers for Mil Spec. presentation ? (which is why all this data was produced in the first place) Horse shoes and Hand Grenades… An F or A pole only works to an extent. Your point ? For the unskilled yes. It would depend again on the skill of the pilot. Covered above. No one specified an aircraft, what are you going on about…crap flinging ? So has chewing gum, toilet paper, and aircraft design/limits amazingly. They were apparently still “roughing” it out in ‘03 as the data shows above :D And are still being compiled to this day. Again you embarrass yourself, but your apparent refusal to READ it for yourself. LOL your cute. Inconclusive to you, remember ? If your just typing out loud do not quote me. LOL say what you will, I don’t bring my purse in here like others do. You have been being schooled, and as your teacher you get an F. Not for being unintelligent for obvious reasons. But for trying to B.S. your way thru an argument you admittedly had no real knowledge of but could have, instead of doing what GG is doing. Researching, for himself to battle again when the field is better suited for him. Even though GG & I disagree violently, he is willing to extract himself from the conflict too arm himself better in the face what is at the time of this post, still overwhelmingly in my favor. This is why I respect him and not you, or your words, or opinions. Is that clear enough for you yet ? NO you said: You said NOT, not PROBABLY (the smell is catchin’ up with you) Right after you told the thread starter: And since it teaches exactly what we are discussing in game, and I have provided the best REAL WORLD evidence to date to support that specific training. You are again left with nothing but self admitted uninformed opinion. Of course…lol, we have all come to expect that by now, no matter what evidence is presented to you.. I dragged you into answering my questions/reply too GG ? Are you drunk/high or something ? that is least amount of sense from you so far. You and I have been here at the ED forums for the same amount of time and comparing the number of respective posts, I’d say the problem is dragging you out of a thread not dragging you in. I asked a questions of you, to a sweeping statement you made, that you have still not answered. Well that’s one thing you have learned, that you should have already known…F+ Don’t feel bad, I have always been prepared to finished whatever position I have taken up , if I‘ve started it or not. But if it makes you feel better that way instead of a “stand up fight” I’m good with that, I don’t have to live it. Yes you did, just look. We caught that. No there is not, Unless it’s me it would seem no matter what person or data I produce. ;) Daaaamn, now that was some crap-flingin-flailin to get thru. Just as predicted…lol O.K. NOW… D-Scythe until you come up with real currently accessible data on the subject of Missile/Aircraft Barrel Roll that is INDEPENDENTLY accumulated, CREDITED and PUBLISHED outside of your head, I have nothing more to say to you. In all this you have not even shown an advancement in a REAL supportable argument. Just the same opinions over and over and over and over and over and over and over…Like if you just keep saying them they’ll come true. They won’t. While I’m sure you are a great guy to some, in this conversation for the moment you are inadequately armed. Your position is non-existent, and I will not respect or take anything you may say seriously until you provide the data to support it. All this for what ? Nothing with you.

Now that you’ve had your edit/say and then some…. Lol, I never said anything about an AMRAAM, but I think Shaw has a fair idea, and I’m for sure Mil. knows :D :D :D 93‘-2003’ is that not considered contemporary or modern ? Again 93’-03’, Did you read the material & research the references ? If you did then the conclusions are evident. In my 3rd post is everything you need to know to come up to speed, if you are so inclined you will know what I know. Yes I’m sure my childhood neighborhood brick war analogy was the first thing that qued everyone to the fact I knew it all…lol As I said, and you refused to read apparently, all this material was dug up well after the fact. Lol again with the opinion. Here again you missed the point completely, dog fighting is not the point. The point is that in the past many “tactics” from many services have been shelved or 86’d all together. Only to resurface in a time of need as our boys are getting their asses chewed in the field/air, because some geniuses has decided “modern combat” has “evolved”. In places like fighter town/stone bay ect. No tactic is to be considered obsolete until proven so in the field/air. If you know the history of how they came to be, then you understand why. “Unsupported” position. 1st. We all keep hearing about this Patriot/SCUD data, where is it ? 2nd. The term “Barrel Roll” has generally up until the SCUD claims has indicated controlled flight, not spiraling uncontrolled to the ground as a result of a structural failure effect. In my view, you are “watering down” the term “barrel roll” to suit your needs. 3rd. You say in one sentence you know nothing and in another that you are sure. I am also sure that toasters have improved in that time, but like you this time I have no data to back it up. Get it ? 4th. You speak of the ease of targeting but have no data to suggest this “ease”. Again you have produced nothing substantial but conjecture. Besides I know that most of the “people” who were “there” for the Patriot v SCUD match in 91’ didn’t think much of it, even the battery operators. All agreed after the fact that sales/news reports were wrong, reporting every self-detonation as a “hit”. When in fact there was never a “bullet to bullet kiss”. And more times than not, proximity detonation of the Patriot made the SCUD deadlier as it fell in more pieces. 90’-91’ remains the only “operational theater” data presently available. And as was stated positive percentages were low at best. Unless you two have something else yet to show us that refutes the claims of the battery operators or CBS’s 60 minutes on the subject. Again & again…it was written between 93’-03’ do you really think these Phd’s were presenting obsolete material above their signatures to the JCG/UNI’s/MIL ect. Ect. Ect. for all their peers world wide to see ? It shows me you do not really grasp what we are going on about. We agree, you don’t know It’s not drama, it was a way to say Put up or Shut up. I do not wish to discuss with you (self admittedly “not up to speed”) your views. Just applicable data. Gheezs, you get it yet buddy ?…come back when your ball has some air in it. Unless someone has read since yesterday till their eyes have bled, or you produce anything worth having a look at other than more opinionated words…Yes at this point it seems I do know more on this than anyone else on this subject. Unless someone wishes to quit sand-bagging and come out of the closet. And as I’ve said, I just read it, after the fact. And presented everyone to draw a opposing conclusions from that or any material. No one has yet. Yes. Does saying “older” make you feel better about the data ? It seems to. Exactly how I feel about you, and you stated why yourself. LOL, but I really did think you strongly positioned “opinionated” guys who readily advise others to have come up with something, anything, I said I would even accept crayon drawings. Nothing = Crapped Out. You stated “Correction: it teaches you why it is effective in LOMAC. Not IRL.” after I posted supporting accredited data, not just an offhand opinion. So you drew other conclusions from the data and withheld it. Or you didn’t bother yourself to at least skim the material before continuing to post on the subject. Never said “Hissy Fit” I said “crap-flinging-flailing” which is exactly what I am now dealing with, with you and your posts…nothing substantial just words. As if, like a trapped flailing animal sh*tting itself…typing more and more words will free you from your position. It won’t. That’s what I meant. I am right & I have provided the “hardest” data to date in any CivSim forum I know of. Again and again and again with you…93’-03’ when were the B&C models operational ? If it falls within or before 93’-03’ don’t bother answering. Your wrong, I’ve provided enough, do your own work/research. I never get dramatic, I don’t have too. Sadly it was the truth. That’s funny to me and others because you stuck yourself right in your sig with your position and relentless persistence to a subject you were knowingly “uninformed” about. Just like your oversized sig…lol Do your own work if you want to know, you’re on the “ED Tester Team” show some initiative…damn. Want me to pack your lunch for tomorrow ? Continued....lmfao V

If you didn't know anything, not even the data I presented to you and others yesterday. When GG and I have been lip-lashing this same material for close to 2 yrs now... ...why did you feel the need to cock-block the questions I posed to GG just to get yourself into the fight ? For a second I thought he had his hand up your bum. I'll address everything you've writen here, as you have me.

That wasn't an answer

Yes, anyone can buy them at small cost.