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Hi there Pretty new to DCS and have been using the MSFFB joystick for both collective and cyclic on UH-1H. Looking to amp up the realism a bit and now have purchased a Thrustmaster Warthog stick for cyclic. Been reading about mods to soften the spring but I'm also looking to add a stick extension. I'd been keen to hear from anyone with recommendations on the optimal stick extension length and whether I would still need to do the spring mod if I'm adding an extension. Also looking at economical options for a collective. Appreciate your thoughts.

Greeting Pilots! Hope you are all doing well! Today I would like to share with you the first part of my latest project in which I am adding a Force Trim function to the Virpil VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base for my Helicopter cyclic. I have abandonment my previous mag lock idea and went to guide rails and steppers. I actually dreaded this project as it took such a huge amount of research on how this Force Trim system works in real Helis. I only have experience with the Robinson R22 and that was in the mid 80's. I am still working on it and until then I hope you enjoy the first part!

Following on from this: - https://forum.dcs.world/topic/319474-diy-mechanical-cyclic-trimmer/ Whilst the last iteration worked nicely as a trim mechanism, the range of movement of the stick whilst trimmed was only a couple of inches which wasn't really enough - it should be full range of motion but sprung. Inspired by the stupendous mi24p simpit by @molevitch, who fortunately assisted on the bits I'm too thick to work out myself Also inspired by the cyclic mechanism made by @yoreh, which I originally saw linked to by @bradmick in discord. I set about designing an electromagnetically locked trim mechanism with the intention that it would be mostly 3D printed where practical and be a bolt on to a stock warthog stick/base with minimum of modifications. I intended to reuse the trim lever, gooseneck extension from the mechanical trim. I sourced a bunch of cheap 300kgf security door maglocks on ebay with the intention of using one to lock the axes when force trim is released, I also wanted to eliminate as much slop in the mechanism as possible so opted for linear bearings for the spring units, oilite bushes for the spring rods, rod end bearings for the linkages and ballraces for the bellcranks needed to translate the motion. Threw all the bits togther in solidworks and after a few weeks of thought and design iteration this is the result! null The maglock is mounted behind the stick base, spring units and linear bearings on a 50x8 aluminium strap to resist the forces to be applied. The bell cranks are mounted onto the triad ring (reused from the mechanical system) clamped to the top of the stick base, each crank has a pair of ballraces to keep everthing smooth and tight. The original printed bell crank supports weren't stiff enough so I cut the half moon braces from the same 50x8 aluminium, the lower is bolted through the base plate (the only modification I've had to make to the stick base) and M8 all-thread tapped and locked into position. The original springs (shown) didn't have a high enough rate to resist the weight of the heavy grip sagging when not centralised so they have been replaced with some much heavier units which work well enough. The springs have adjustable preload by winding in the knobs at the back - in reality I have these wound in fully so largely pointless now but they aid assembly. The through rod on the spring units are running on the oilite bushes so as to not bind at all. The original armature plate for the maglock was obviously not suitable so I cut some 5mm mild steel plate at work and spent a couple of hours draw filing to ensure that they were as flat and smooth as possible. Air gap is the enemy of electromagnets so it was essential that these were flat enough to attract with enough force. The maglock needs to be energised when the force trim control is inactive and de-energise when holding the force trim, I had previsouly used a tact switch wired into a cheap USB controller board for the mechanical trim and it worked very well. The maglock needs a 12v supply so obviously power needs to come from somewhere else, additionally the normally open tact switch wouldn't be suitable for switching the maglock whilst still connected to the USB board. I used a 5v relay (the blue and red thing) set to normally closed operation to keep the maglock energised until the tact switch is depressed; this also required a 5v feed in addition to the 12v. I sacrificed a power cable for my PSU to supply both 12v and 5v using, extended and braided the cable into a loom to so the stick is constantly plugged into the computer PSU - peak current draw is about 6w at worst and almost zero once the maglock is energised. The physical manifestation! Video evidence! https://photos.app.goo.gl/86ew3K5fVxanxFrf6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/eXPQEFSnvz1uyw3R6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/Rtuwt5BKyfoG5cvf6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNatykyBPiv4YQFe7 I had to tweak the balance point of the gooseneck to stop some sagging on the pitch axis in certain trimmed positions (damn that heavy metal grip!) but it's all good now. The total weight of the joystick is now around 6.3kg. I also replaced the original warthog gimbal with this as the stick is over 10 years old and had developed a bit of rotational movement which would only be exacerbated by the offset spring loads applied by the linkages. The switch to a full ball race gimbal is nice although I did need to reinforce the prints with some 1.8mm stainless rod to keep the strength in them. I retained the original warthog spring to apply a slight passive centring force so that it's easy to refind centre if need be - the length of the extension means it can be overcome by the weight of the grip alone. In use the stick behaves exactly as I intended, pulling the trim lever de-energises the maglock and it becomes light as a feather, essentially a floppy dead stick, releasing the trim energises it and locks it into position. Whilst trimmed there is a fairly soft return to the trim centre so the stick doesn't significantly osscilate but it's enough to give a definite force so you know you're flying against the trim. Very pleased with the result, it's become something of a monster project and has become a little more involved tooling wise (beyond the 3D printer) than I'd like but it's doing exactly what I set out to do. If flying fixed wing then I just leave the trim lever alone and the stick behaves like a normal sprung centre joystick. If anyone is masochistic enough to want to make one, I can let you have the STLs for printing and generate a set of drawings for the other parts to be made - it's obviously designed around my specific gooseneck but it should be pretty simple to redesign the linkage base to suit a stock warthog or extension. Why? Because I like to tinker, does it make me a better pilot? Absolutely not but it's fun to use!

Hi everyone, Just finished my latest project. It's an extension for my Virpil CM2 base for flying the MI-24 in DCS. I am pretty new to DCS (including the forum), used to do just X-Plane but absolutely love DCS after just a mere 20 hours in it. I made a video about it, my first YouTube ever! Had to do some serious research me being 60 and a bit (more like a lot) out of the loop, I must admit that I could not have done it without my sons help. Let me know what you think about that Heli Cyclic Extension. Working on a force trim project as well, still waiting on a bunch of parts. Hope this is OK here to post, just really excited about DCS and building my sim pit out. Happy Holidays everyone!

Hello, for the longest time I thought this was a real life feature. However I can not find it documented in any real world literature, and after consulting with others believe it may be a bug. I have recorded a track. First I enter active paused, reset trim, test controls in each axis. Then try moving pedal with full back cyclic, left pedal is limited. I then hold in left pedal while moving my cyclic around, and you can see the pedal deflection change as cyclic position changes. I then turned off the pedal dampener and did the same test to verify it wasn’t the dampener. I hope this is helpful, thank you very much Rear cyclic limits left pedal.trk

Hi, Does the Apache Cyclic returns to center or stay in place if released..? More if i should remove the springs and only use the Dry Clutches on my VBK Ultimate to simulate this... And does the Module support this, or only support return to center joysticks..? Thanks in advance