blkspade Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 No it is certainly not, what hardcore flight sims have you flown, sir? My list would include Janes F18, FalconBMS, VRS TP Rhino, FSX PMDG aircraft such as the 744 and 777, LDS 763. Those are study sims. Considering there is a pretty solid definition of what an arcade flight game entails, you just can't group the FC series with them. The list of features and mechanics about FC vastly separates it from arcade, as opposed to the minute bit thats missing that would deem it "hardcore". http://104thphoenix.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 (edited) This might be the most beaten to death topic I have ever seen! 84 %&% posts! I doubt anyone is really impressed with what label you put on whatever computer game you think you mastered. Christ! Dude this topic started getting flogged when LOMAC was released. Where ya been? Just killing time until we see DCS Hornet C. Edited April 2, 2014 by Mower "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 My list includes most of those. You don't know what you're talking about; you should add an actual arcade 'flight game' to your repertoire so that you have a clue. FC is so far from arcade it's funny. No it is certainly not, what hardcore flight sims have you flown, sir? My list would include Janes F18, FalconBMS, VRS TP Rhino, FSX PMDG aircraft such as the 744 and 777, LDS 763. Those are study sims. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellonet Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Dude this topic started getting flogged when LOMAC was released. Where ya been? Just killing time until we see DCS Hornet C. Pfff.... the Hornet is so far away that it'll be arcade when it's finally released :harhar: i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagnarDa Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Dude this topic started getting flogged when LOMAC was released. Where ya been? Just killing time until we see DCS Hornet C. Yes I guess I had a life... :D DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Considering there is a pretty solid definition of what an arcade flight game entails, you just can't group the FC series with them. The list of features and mechanics about FC vastly separates it from arcade, as opposed to the minute bit thats missing that would deem it "hardcore". Agreed, FC3 is clearly a survey sim. I was debating relativity but probably made an error in linking it to arcade "games" like Hawx for example. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjeh Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 (edited) ... I always regarded ED as the PMDG of the Combat Sim world in their expertise in producing quality simulations, but this seems to have degraded into mass market arcade type simulations such as Flamming Cliffs addons. ... I greatly prefer study sims over more simplified ones. However, The premise that ED moved from study sims to lower fi sims like FC3 is wrong. Black Shark is considered the first real study sim released by ED. Flaming cliffs 3 is the last iteration of the Lock On series. Black shark released in 2008. Lock on: modern air combat released in 2003. Even predating lomac you have the first flanker from 1995. If memory serves me right, its fidelity could best be described as FC+. It has been nearly 20 years since I played it though, so I could be wrong on that one ;) EDIT: The point being; Don't worry about it, ED have clearly stated their intention to bring more study sims to the table. Combined with recent 3rd party efforts, the future is brighter than ever imo Edited April 2, 2014 by mjeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 (edited) FC is so far from arcade it's funny. Not fair: how do I ardently disagree with a mod...? ;-) (But no, it is not, IMHO, I have flown Fc2/Fc3 extensively) Edited April 2, 2014 by Mower "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 You can disagree with me all you want, lost of people do :) Not fair: how do I ardently disagree with a mod...? ;-) (But no, it is not, IMHO, I have flown Fc2/Fc3 extensively) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlawal2 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 You can disagree with me all you want, lost of people do :) That is crap! Nobody ever disagrees with you! (Jeez) :megalol: "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 2, 2014 ED Team Share Posted April 2, 2014 That is crap! Nobody ever disagrees with you! (Jeez) :megalol: Well played! Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 That is crap! Nobody ever disagrees with you! (Jeez) :megalol: I'm gonna Hit the brakes and he'll fly right by... Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 2, 2014 ED Team Share Posted April 2, 2014 Not fair: how do I ardently disagree with a mod...? ;-) (But no, it is not, IMHO, I have flown Fc2/Fc3 extensively) Guess it depends on what your baseline is for arcade... I think of arcade like BF4, or World of Warplanes.... in that case, FC3 is well beyond those in details and system modelling. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 You can disagree with me all you want, lost of people do :) (1) I have been conditioned (beaten) by the prone-to-violence-cop-wife not to question "authority". (2) According to the aforementioned PTVCW, I have nothing of value to say and intelligent people disregard me anyhow. Right, carry on. PS, yes, I am an obnoxious loud-mouthed Alpha Hotel. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 2, 2014 ED Team Share Posted April 2, 2014 PS, yes, I am an obnoxious loud-mouthed Alpha Hotel. Well I will take one that can admit he is one over the guy that cant :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Well I will take one that can admit he is one over the guy that cant :) Good to know, but I never said that I was working on correcting it. :D "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 2, 2014 ED Team Share Posted April 2, 2014 Good to know, but I never said that I was working on correcting it. :D Embrace it... change is a lot of work ;) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Even predating lomac you have the first flanker from 1995. If memory serves me right, its fidelity could best be described as FC+. Uber hardcore for its day, sir. I remember flying it fondly, the first flight sim to be made for W95 IIRC as well. Great manual, still a good read. 1 "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 change is a lot of work ;) So is digging through the ground's perma frost this time of year...the PTVCW assuring me last week that was the only reason I was still above ground. :D "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 2, 2014 ED Team Share Posted April 2, 2014 So is digging through the ground's perma frost this time of year...the PTVCW assuring me last week that was the only reason I was still above ground. :D Well, pray for cold weather :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 So is digging through the ground's perma frost this time of year...the PTVCW assuring me last week that was the only reason I was still above ground. :D At least you have a clear understanding of where you stand. ;) EDIT: ...and why you still do! ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71st_Mastiff Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 you all should really see this sim from a 55 inch 120Hrz TV, it is like real photo realistic..:pilotfly: " any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back, " W Forbes "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Winston Churchill " He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," MSI z690MPG DDR4 || i914900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 || MSI RTX 4070Ti|Game1300w|Win10x64| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2|| MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Samsung|| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontiuka Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Considering the flight models are kinda bad... The A-10 is the most realistic because they got it from the A-10C The F-15 flys like a paperweight. The Russian fighters are too jumpy.That will all be addressed in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Are the last 3 pages of this thread some sort of elaborate, late April Fool's day prank ? Mower conceding that FC3 is a 'survey' sim not an arcade game, then showing more grace than I would as everyone continues to bag him for something he's already taken back ? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Yes it is, too bad it aint no tactical combat sim, and may never be even with FSX@War... http://fsxwar.net/ Do you have TacPack? Some guys mod it. See VCVW-8, VCVW-3, VCVW-2, and FSXCarrierOps.com I am not impressed with FSX@War -+- Some guys to DCS MP go to great lengths to make interesting war maps [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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