Alicatt Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Personally I would have liked to see how the EE Lightning and the Mig21 would have stacked up against each other. Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptre Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Personally I would have liked to see how the EE Lightning and the Mig21 would have stacked up against each other. same. RTX 2070 8GB | 32GB DDR4 2666 RAM | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz | Asrock X570 | CH Fighterstick/Pro Throttle | TM MFDs | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaktus29 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 how r u guys going to use the mig21 in mp? .. are there plans of plane ratio vs. the f-15 to make it more challenging? like 8 Mig-21 versus 2 F15.. and wouldn't that entail training in squadrons so you could be effective in mig21.. otherwise going solo against f15 or 2 f15s is obviously not going to be a challenge for anybody.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Use them as designed, point defense. Or blitz with hit and runs while the Flankers and Fulcrums draw attention to themselves. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptre Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I'll use it for light ground attack like I do with the fulcrum, and for air combat I don't see it being that hard to kill an eagle if you can get the jump on one....... especially if you have GCI. If servers want the whole mig21 vs F15 thing then removing the awacs for the eagles would make it a little more "fair"..... If you're into that. RTX 2070 8GB | 32GB DDR4 2666 RAM | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz | Asrock X570 | CH Fighterstick/Pro Throttle | TM MFDs | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 how r u guys going to use the mig21 in mp? .. are there plans of plane ratio vs. the f-15 to make it more challenging? like 8 Mig-21 versus 2 F15.. and wouldn't that entail training in squadrons so you could be effective in mig21.. otherwise going solo against f15 or 2 f15s is obviously not going to be a challenge for anybody.. Actually, if we look at time period where they were introduced : 1972 for Bis, and 1976 for F-15A, it can be simulated at least on a loadout basis : F-15 would only have AIM-7 and AIM-9P as loadout on MiG vs F-15 servers. F-15 would have advantage as it should, but it wouldn't be as one sided as it would be with AIM-120 and AIM-9M. It would be much more challenging and fun for both F-15 and Bis pilots that way, if there would be servers like this. I believe with these loadouts, MiG-21Bis stands quite a decent chance, even if still overall disadvantaged. But if we stick to 1970s for loadout, MiG shouldn't be able to use R-60M, only original R-60 was available before 1980s if I recall right, not the upgraded M model. I think we only have the M in game, and don't know if Leatherneck will introduce a R-60 as well. This is both somewhat fair, yet still not unrealistic. At least, if I'd host a server, it would be hosted this way :) Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmp Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 You can also include bombers for the F-15s to escort or SAMs supporting the MiGs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Witchking Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 At the end of the day, the skill of the pilot will also make a difference. If its someone like me who doesn't know how to use an F-15 radar properly, a good Mig 21 pilot can easily sneak up and get the 4th generation aircraft. WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Maybe F-15's with Sparrows and "P" Sidewinders protecting heavily loaded "A" Vipers will give a fun server. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I wonder if the release of the FW-190 has any impact on the release of this. I am surpised they didn't combine them into one update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 26, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 26, 2014 I wonder if the release of the FW-190 has any impact on the release of this. I am surpised they didn't combine them into one update. The two are not related at all. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly1606688174 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I wonder if the release of the FW-190 has any impact on the release of this. I am surpised they didn't combine them into one update. The two are not related at all. Also, there wont be any FW-190 files until august. MiG-21 and sabre should hopefully come before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 :doh: I thought that the FW-190 was released as a Beta today. Not as just the pre-purchase. Nevermind:crash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roob Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Actually, if we look at time period where they were introduced : 1972 for Bis, and 1976 for F-15A, it can be simulated at least on a loadout basis : F-15 would only have AIM-7 and AIM-9P as loadout on MiG vs F-15 servers. F-15 would have advantage as it should, but it wouldn't be as one sided as it would be with AIM-120 and AIM-9M. It would be much more challenging and fun for both F-15 and Bis pilots that way, if there would be servers like this. I believe with these loadouts, MiG-21Bis stands quite a decent chance, even if still overall disadvantaged. But if we stick to 1970s for loadout, MiG shouldn't be able to use R-60M, only original R-60 was available before 1980s if I recall right, not the upgraded M model. I think we only have the M in game, and don't know if Leatherneck will introduce a R-60 as well. This is both somewhat fair, yet still not unrealistic. At least, if I'd host a server, it would be hosted this way :) Missiles are fun and certainly comparable, but F-15A compared to the DCS-available F-15C compared to MiG-21Bis: http://youtu.be/Ml3cKrUU0ME?t=4s :smartass: My DCS stream [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Past broadcasts, Highlights Currently too much to do... But watch and (maybe) learn something :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diditopgun Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 The silence about the release is deafening... :( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel I7 8700K / RTX 3080 / 32Go DDR4 PC21300 G.Skill Ripjaws V / MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon / Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold - 1000W / Noctua NH-D14 / Acer XB270HUDbmiprz 27" G-synch 144Hz / SSD Samsung 860EVO 250Go + 1To / Cooler Master HAF X / Warthog+VPC WarBRD / Thrustmaster TPR / Track-IR v5 + Track Clip Pro / Windows 11 64bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeter Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 The silence about the release is deafening... :( I'm gonna wait until Tuesday to get heartbroken. Until then, just gonna keep my head down on work and refresh this page every 20 minutes. :music_whistling: /Gregory Smiddy Programming Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 26, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 26, 2014 The silence about the release is deafening... :( Like we could hear anything over all the people asking when its going to be released... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 We wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flia Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I cant almost breath PC: i7 9700K, 32 GB RAM, RTX 2080 SUPER, Tir 5, Hotas Warthog Throttle, VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base with VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VKB-SIM T-RUDDER PEDALS MK.IV. Modules : NEVADA, F-5E, M-2000C, BF-109K4, A-10C, FC3, P-51D, MIG-21BIS, MI-8MTV2, F-86F, FW-190D9, UH-1H, L-39, MIG-15BIS, AJS37, SPITFIRE-MKIX, AV8BNA, PERSIAN GULF, F/A-18C HORNET, YAK-52, KA-50, F-14,SA342, C-101, F-16, JF-17, Supercarrier,I-16,MIG-19P, P-47D,A-10C_II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 The silence about the release is deafening... :( At this point, it's out of Leatherneck's hands. They're done and it's up to ED to complete the final work of integration. I know how you feel, just look at my friggin' user name. We all want this bad, but there's really no point in getting to upset. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmorrow Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 At this point, it's out of Leatherneck's hands. They're done and it's up to ED to complete the final work of integration. Oh cool! :) Things are going according to plan! I am very happy about that. How many times in life does anything go according to plan? This is moving along as smoothly as one can expect, then. :thumbup: [sIGPIC]http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv250/mjmorrow76/SPAD%20of%20a%20new%20generation_zpshcbftpce.png[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeter Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Oh cool! :) Things are going according to plan! I am very happy about that. How many times in life does anything go according to plan? This is moving along as smoothly as one can expect, then. :thumbup: I feel like you're being sarcastic... /Gregory Smiddy Programming Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I feel like you're being sarcastic... Ditto, I feel that this project has been anything but a smooth ride.. But Im really looking forward to the fantastic work they have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) I believe with these loadouts, MiG-21Bis stands quite a decent chance, even if still overall disadvantaged.No, it doesn't stand a decent chance, or at least it shouldn't. This sort of meeting has happened in RL, and the MiG-21's didn't stand a chance. And that was with the AIM-7Fs flaking out. The MiGs got out-radared, out-missiled and out-turned by the F-15A's. In fact, the MiG-21 has the dubious honor of being the one and only air to air gun kill of the F-15ABCD. F-18Cs on a bombing mission self-escorted and shot down 2 MiG-21s with AIM-7MH/P and AIM-9. They didn't have to drop their bombs, and continued to carry on their mission. Again, not a chance. Edited June 26, 2014 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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