i 185 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 What is the better fighter overall,vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawg11 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 F22 Dave "Hawg11" St. Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 F22 No, nukle is much much better :D :D :D With Best Regards! Daniel Tuseyev Il-2: Battle of Stalingrad and Rise Of Flight projects manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Legionnaire Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 SuMiG-999 pwnz em all. [brag]European dogfight champion 2006[/brag] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEODARK Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 No, that plane in Stealth ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S77th-GOYA Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 P-38 won the war! Be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 negative, even tho it is a superb Aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anivanov Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 F22 buuuuuuuuuuu.............. sorry......27 vs. 15 on one side 15 is faster, but the flanker have bigger G-limit.....recently a friend of mine and I have played in MP with those two planes.......we are simillar expirieced pilots so we left out of weapon and together landed with few scratches.........but he had much more chanses to destroy me ( he was in 15 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Neither. T-rex wins. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus G72GX | CPU: Core 2 Duo Overclocked @ 2.9Ghz | Memory 6GB DDR2 | Graphics Card: nVidia GTX 260m 1GB | OS: Windows 7 Home Premium | Monitor: Samsung 32" LCD LOMAC 1.0 to FC 1.12 System RIP (2003-2010) | AMD Athlon 64 3000+ overclocked to 2565MHz | NVidia Geforce 7800 GS AGP 256 MB | 1GB Kingston PC2700 DDR DRAM | Windows 2000 with SP4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maks Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Just to summurise what you all theoretised here...... Many here claimed that SU-MKI is worth nothing against F-15, while it is quite stupid to do so until an actual results are obtained. So lets hope US will test F-22 with SU-30MKI next year. It will be itneresting to see how generation 5 will handle generation 4+. If even one F-22 is shot down then its superiority is quite questionable agains further modifications of SU Flanker. Regarding the stealthy features of F-22 Raptor it is a questionable quality until it is actually tested against modern Russian radars. My belief is based on an article in Russian military export magazine about investigation of evacuated wreckages of THREE F-117 (Americans have admitted then only one but who believes to military?) from Yugoslavia of which one was apparently shot down with BUK missile. This was very precious information for Russian military experts and they made a full investigation on the all three cases. The report on the investigation made by Russian experts concludes that F-117 was visible with old radars with low frequency and long-waves used by old BUK. This type of radars are not used since early 70-es as they are quite larger in size. However most of the modern and smaller radar designs used for missiles and aircrafts were unable to detect F-117 beyond 10km range. They also have studies the material of F-117 under modern Russian radar and reported its high efficiency in most used radar wave spectrums. The report suggested modification to Russian radars to widen wave spectrums to handle F-117 type technologies. Sorry I can not spot it to you guys as it is in Russian language and issued for Arab clients. /WPS Summary: The Pentagon announced results of the joint war games of the U.S. and Indian air force last Thursday. The outcome of the first dogfight shocked the USAF - Su fighters displayed their overwhelming superiority./ WPS Subject: SU-30MKI FIGHTERS RUSSIA HAS MANUFACTURED FOR INDIA HAVE DISPLAYED THEIR OVERWHELMING SUPERIORITY OVER F-15C EAGLE U.S. FIGHTERS IN A TRAINING FIGHT The Pentagon announced results of the joint war games of the U.S. and Indian air force last Thursday. India's Su-30MKI fighters manufactured in Russia and Jaguar assault planes will fly to the Anchorage Point airbase in Alaska on June 4; in late 2004 F-16 fighters of the United States will pay a visit to the Gwalior base in the State of Madhya Pradesh, India. The joint war games, which were recently conducted in India, when the best Russian and U.S. fighters met in an air combat for the first time, encouraged the cooperation between the Indian and U.S. air forces. The outcome of the first dogfight shocked the Americans - Su fighters displayed their overwhelming superiority. Four F-15C Eagle fighters of the 315th Air Division based in Eaglestone (Texas) represented the USA. It should be noted that pilots of this division have combat experience; large war games of the NATO air force entitled Gun Smoke are arranged at this airbase twice a year. Special Agressor squadrons, equipped with planes and helicopters imitating the aircraft of potential foes are involved in similar maneuvers. Similar exercises are imitating the tactical environment, maximally approximated to combat. (...) The USA agreed to send its best fighters to India only after they had got guarantees that Su-30MKI, the most up-to-date fighters produced in Russia would take part in the war games. This was the first occasion when the combat properties of the best Western and the best Russian planes could be compared in a duel. Results of the war games stunned the U.S. Air Force command. It has been considered so far that the perfect performance characteristics typical of the Su family aircraft are made up for with the excellent airborne equipment the U.S. planes have. Radars installed at F-15C fighters hypothetically detect an enemy earlier than a U.S. plane is detected. This gives a significant advantage - it saves time, required for homing and launching a missile. However, the Indian pilots transformed U.S. ideas of the tactics in fighting aviation. Using the passive infrared scanners, which may detect a smoldering cigarette in a thick forest at the distance of 30 km, Su-30 fighters stealthily came up to the U.S. fighters to reach the distance of an aimed shot from an airborne cannon! A heavier and, therefore, less maneuverable Eagle fighter have few chances to survive in a close combat. As reported by the Indian command, the Americans were dropped at least 20 times. Besides, it turned out that the Russian airborne radars are better than the vaunted U.S.-made radars. The former enabled to detect F-15 planes at the distance of up 60 km even against the mountainous background. The enemy's radars were merely "blind" under similar circumstances, not seeing a target against the backdrop of multiple radio beam reflections from the mountain ledges. The tactics displayed by the Indian pilots became another surprise for the Americans. Air Marshal Michael Mcmahon, Vice Chief of India's Air Staff told us: "The Americans were expecting us to act applying the fighting aviation according to the Western doctrine. However, we chose the Soviet model and, as a result, gained the upper hand over our opponents." In the outcome, fighters manufactured by Sukhoi Design Bureau were in absolute advantage. They won two of each three duels they've been to. The U.S. Air Force Command is seriously perplexed by results of the exercises. Besides, at the U.S. initiative the maneuvers scheduled for 2004 will be conducted according to the extended program. Thus, F-16 Fighting Falcon, the major tactical fighters in the West, will participate in the exercises to be held in India against MiG-29 fighters, their counterparts which are in service with the Indian Air Force. The Hindus are seriously interested in that, since falcon fighters make the basis of the Air Force of Pakistan, which is India's potential enemy. In addition, a couple of AWACS planes will be involved in the exercises as well. The Hindus want to test efficiency of this system before deciding to purchase A-50 planes of joint Russian-Israeli production. Il-78 aircraft, which recently were purchased from Russia, will participate in a nonstop flight to Alaska for the first time in history of the Indian Air Force. http://worldaffairsboard.com/printthread.php?t=241&page=5&pp=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maks Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 above post is taken from the link mentioned not my own opinion nor my own comment , just to give an idea !! brgds - maks1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anivanov Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 when we can expect stealth flankers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 ...investigation of evacuated wreckages of THREE F-117 (Americans have admitted then only one but who believes to military?) from Yugoslavia of which one was apparently shot down with BUK missile... Actually, two over Yugoslavia (one fell into Bosnia and was retrived by SFOR) by Neva, not the BUK and one in Iraq that was quickly bombed by US after crashing. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Legionnaire Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Using the passive infrared scanners, which may detect a smoldering cigarette in a thick forest at the distance of 30 km, Su-30 fighters stealthily came up to the U.S. fighters to reach the distance of an aimed shot from an airborne cannon! All I can say is "LOL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat1974 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 ummmm...right...My god we have master copy/paste ;) Cut the Crap with those Indian-Us exercices. They mean nothing. More over go to F16.Net and read the reports of the real pilots that where in those exercices and read the stories about the outcome. Exercice was like that mean nothing related to a plane. For you Information based on that logic : Romanian Mig 21 Lancers are better than Harrier GR7, F16 , Mirage F1, cause in exercices they won many WVR mocked combats... reality is nothing similar to that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts