bongodriver Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 it's what I meant, I'm not a tar and feathers guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Who knows, but reading between the lines, of past posts by Luthier, in this and other projects, he has problems dealing with his workforce. This change is probably a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoJoe Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The mother of all F -ups is to assume anything. Sit back relax and take solace in the fact that ED has clearly stated they will continue with the project. At the end of the day, that's all that is important really, even if it takes a bit longer. Well put! +1 Certainly interesting news today, but I'm looking forward to seeing how it all turns out. And those cockpit shots do look amazing. I hope all the best for Luthier and the others at RRG, wherever they end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlerkies Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 it's what I meant, I'm not a tar and feathers guy. Hehehe, all good bud :thumbup: I have been very vocal in my disappointment of RRG following the Kickstarter for a number of reasons on these forums, and have a keen knack for sticking my foot in my mouth as well. :megalol: Thermaltake View 91, Z390 Gigabyte Aorus Ultra, i9 9900K, Corsair H150i Pro, 32Gb Trident Z 3200, Gigabyte Aorus Extreme 2080ti, Corsair AX1200i, Warthog A-10 Hotas, MFG Crosswind pedals, TiR5 Pro, HP Reverb Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdoc Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Disappointing news. Something obviously went awfully bad with this project. I expected a 6 month delay for DCS WW2 but now it appears that we will have about a year of delay, and associated additional risks about its full completion. Even though Wags says that what happened is not open to discussion, I think that the people who paid for all this are entitled to some kind of explanation. This project was crowd-funded. Maybe some time later, after things have cooled off, but we definitely need an explanation by Luthier and an official post by ED about at least some of the major reasons for this. Edited June 7, 2014 by airdoc The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in life to experience all three at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Thing thing to take away from this is that the project will continue to move along in development and hasn't been cancelled. i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMicha Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 shit, growdfunding and DCS doesn't work... Simpit Software by SDA "SIMPIT DEVELOPER ASSOCIATION" DCS ExportScript D.A.C. DCS to Arcaze Communicator Ikarus a new Virtual Cockpit Software Deutscher Forums Thread English Forums Thread Hard/Software: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, 32 GiB RAM, extra SSD for Windows 10 and DCS World, AMD Vega Frontier Edition with 16 GiB VRAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 but we definitely need an explanation by Luthier and an official post by ED about at least some of the major reasons for this. No we don't. ED has stated that they'll honor KickStarter and that's all there's to it. They don't owe us anything, actually! "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upupandaway Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Wags´s statement indicates that they plan to offer some kind of more detailed explanation, so we can also be thankful for that and wait until they are ready to formulate it. They don´t share RRG´s contractual obligations, but it seems like a good thing to do at this point... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Deedle, deedle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdoc Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 No we don't. ED has stated that they'll honor KickStarter and that's all there's to it. They don't owe us anything, actually! If ED is taking over the project, that means that they are getting funds from our investment. If they are not getting over the funds that the backers paid for, then, yes, they don't have to explain anything. But the work presented in the 109K, has already been done with the backer's resources, unless i am mistaken. And probably other things as well (like the P47), which has now being taken over by ED. What ever aspect one is looking at it from, an official explanation about what happened and what the features of the new DCS WW2 form will be should be given to the backers. At least that's my point of view. Because they are the ones who made this whole project plausible in the first place. The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in life to experience all three at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwd2 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Remember: You give money to a Kickstarter Project, so that somebody can make his dream comes true, but if he can`t finished it, you have no rights on your money! - It is like you buy company shares on the stock exchange! Short Question: will we backer able to fly in August 2014 – Fw 190 D-9 Dora, in October 2014 - BF-109K and soon..... under DCS World? Edit: we will, if it finish in time..... Edited June 7, 2014 by mwd2 Playing: F-16C Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganus Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Remember: You give money to a Kickstarter Project, so that somebody can make his dream comes true, but if he can`t finished it, you have no rights on your money! - It is like you buy company shares on the stock exchange! This statement is wrong. You need to read the kickstarter agreement before you post things like this. Edited June 7, 2014 by Paganus quote fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 7, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 7, 2014 Once again guys, lets try and avoid discussion on Luthier, funds and such, the important thing is that ED is taking over management of the project, obviously things will fall a little differently as we can see from projected release dates. If you have an questions specific to the project itself, you can share those. I am sure ED will answer more things as the project moves forward. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 7, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 7, 2014 This statement is wrong. You need to read the kickstarter agreement before you post things like this. ED is honoring the KS, that is all we need to know about that. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick10 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I feel much better about this project now. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 7, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 7, 2014 The only real question I have is "will the sdk still be available? As i recall only RRG mentioned releasing the map making SDK to the community I dont think this was ever officially added to the KS page, I imagine we will have to see if that was something ED said could be done or not, we will be going over all the rewards and seeing who should have what already, etc. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick10 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Can we ask what happened to the funds that were raised in the kickstarter campaign? Are those funds now transferred to DCS? How much money did luthier pay himself, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 7, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 7, 2014 Can we ask what happened to the funds that were raised in the kickstarter campaign? Are those funds now transferred to DCS? How much money did luthier pay himself, etc? As has been stated, these things arent open for discussion. They have said all they can for right now. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hegykc Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Sad. What a classic example of "fool me once...". Artists obviously did their job at top notch quality, but this was some of the worst management I have ever seen, twice. Thanks ED for picking up the ball, you have my unlimited support, but I seriously hope this guy never gets anywhere near team management again. www.replikagear.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooseneck Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I would simply like a refund of my kickstarter contribution. Then when this sim does get released, I'll buy it. For now, I want my money back please. Tell me how I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 8, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 8, 2014 I would simply like a refund of my kickstarter contribution. Then when this sim does get released, I'll buy it. For now, I want my money back please. Tell me how I get it. I dont think refunds are possible, least on how I understand Kickstarters. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooseneck Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I dont think refunds are possible, least on how I understand Kickstarters. I hope you're wrong Sith me old chum, because at the moment I am very very trucking angry..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 8, 2014 ED Team Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I hope you're wrong Sith me old chum, because at the moment I am very very trucking angry..... What level backer were you, are you concerned you wont get something? ED is doing its best to honor your pledges. Edited June 19, 2014 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Once the funding period ends all pledged money goes to the recipient, what gets done with that money is up to the recipient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaelu Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Thanks ED for saving this project. These are good news after so much silence. As for Luthier.... .... ... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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