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Hello,

 

I understand that DCS is trying to diversify their offerings, but there has been a large request for more modern weapons platforms, mainly the AH-64D Apache Longbow and the F/A-18E Super Hornet. For reference, see your own forums:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=51462

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=89004

 

PLEASE get out of this current rut of WW II and Korea and PLEASE add these 2 aircraft. I know several pilots who would love to fly off of a U.S. carrier and use something besides the KA-50 as a tank busting helicopter and if I know several, think of how many are out there worldwide. This is a segment of the aviation community that has been ignored since Flaming Cliffs 3 (pulling 3 aircraft out to sell singularly doesn't really count as new aircraft)

 

Please consider the other perspective as well, namely any of the recently released aircraft (not the single aircraft taken out of the Flaming Cliffs module) but the MI-8, the P-51, the UH-1, The FW-190, and the F-86 against the modern ground units. the SAM threats alone will chew them up and the T-72 series of tank on up as well as the BMP line will have a field day with their ATGMs. Also, I don't believe that the Vietnam War and earlier series of aircraft are even able to take out a T-72 with it's primary weapons.

 

The vintage aircraft crowd has been favored for quite awhile. Please give us modern pilots new modern aircraft, preferably the F/A-18E and the AH-64D as flyable aircraft.

 

Thank you.

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Who's making an Apache? I've never heard of someone doing a DCS: AH-64D.... are you sure you don't mean the Cobra?

 

Regarding the OP: There is a chance we may be seeing DCS: AH-1S or AH-1W in the future, so keep a look out for that.

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More DCS Modern Air Craft - Simulating Real Air War Joint Operations in a Campaign!

 

 

There are a few 3rd Party Roadmaps in various Tabs in Forum. Some projects have not yet begun but promised. We HOPE!

 

For now all I want is DCS Update 2.0.0 + EDGE + NTR + F-18E & Carrier Ops + F-16C + Hawk T1 + Pilatus Pc21 a few more Maps............. I'm done, for now! :smilewink::thumbup:

 

Note:-

 

If XPLANE 10 guys can do it I dont see why DCS cant do the same..... just have a look at their release inventory............ http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/x-planestore/StoreFront

or even the FSX 3rd parties for example ............ http://www.fspilotshop.com/aircraft-fsx-aircraft-c-107_71.html?page=2&sort=2a&tags=16 it sure seem like its a green light for DCS as there aren't any serous Air Combat Sim competitors around DCS is basically it!

 

DCS could have a huge list of modern military air craft with 3D cockpits fully click-able 6DOF at least 50% working avionics or just engine basic start-up working cockpits which could be improved over time with updates to each air craft avionics and systems. This would be better instead of nothing as a useable database of military air craft that can be used for upcoming NTR MAP RED FLAG Missions and other MAPS.

 

I mean gee look at the FSX community its been rockin for ages and people still develop for that community.

We could have if ED would ever agree to something more like levels of Aircraft implementation like:-

 

  1. Full Simulation working cockpits
  2. Semi-Simulation working cockpits
  3. Game Level working cockpits

 

They could use something like this to get them to fly and behave like real aircraft:- http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/

 

And as more info found on aircraft and Lic approved it could move up the ladder so to speak.

 

Similar to other sims that are now fairly old, this would get ED-DCS World all the possible wanted aircraft by community into the data-base and we could all enjoy the sim allot more.

 

As long as you can perform a basic start up basic functions of dropping a bomb and fire a missile and use guns, I see no problem whatsoever!

 

I'm for change and openness to a complete world of aircraft some have different views of the sim or believe its not possible and so on.

 

So I'm with you on creating more for DCS WORLD as a Combat Simulator even Commercial, Civil, Recreation and Sport Aviation.......hence WORLD.

 

We are missing out on allot of fun though building a greater flight sim game community.

 

 

An Example:-

 

 

*** DCS Central Build Air Craft Model and Cockpit List ***

 

 

 

* F-16C Block 50/52

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-16CBlock52_zps846c8a67.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/f_16_50_07_zps6922e9a6.jpg

 

 

 

* F-16D Fighting Falcon Trainer

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/F-16D_zps2933ac55.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/F16D-1_zps2546daf1.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/F-16D-cockpit_zpsc2155eb3.jpg

 

 

 

 

* T-45 Goshawk Trainer

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/T-45GOSHAWK_zpsb67d9d20.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-18 Hornet A, C, D & E variants

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/f-a-18e_zpseb44bdbd.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/FA-18D-Cockpit-Night-Attack-S_zpsbe5c086d.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/fa-18c_zpsd351235f.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/FA-18EFUpgrades_zps44b88696.jpg

 

 

 

* F-16IN

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-16INBlock70_zps3c61b465.jpg

 

 

 

 

* BAE Hawk MK2 Trainer

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/BAEHAWKMK2Trainer_zpsdedbbd32.jpg

 

 

 

 

* Pilatus PC21 Dual Cab Trainer

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/PilatusPC-21Dual_zps08dea07e.jpg

 

 

 

 

* T-38 Talon Trainer

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/T-38Trainer_zps725600c3.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-15C & SE + Variants

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-15C_zpsd5c02d81.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-15SE_zpsb38a2362.jpg

 

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-15SE2_zps5152440f.jpg

 

 

 

 

* A-10C

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/A-10C_zps3edc9236.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-22A

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-22A_zps830127e7.jpg

 

 

 

 

* JSF F-35 STOVL

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/JSFF-35_zpsa23c010b.jpg

 

 

 

* AV-8B Harrier II STOVL

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/HarrierGR9_zps3a9549f1.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-117 Nighthawk

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-117_zps6f127f3a.jpg

 

 

 

* F-14B Tomcat

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-14BTomcat_zps96fa67a4.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-5A & E

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-5ACockpit_zps0aa5fb6b.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-5ECockpit_zps3dabf867.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-20 Tiger Shark

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-20_zpse415ec5f.jpg

 

 

 

* A-12 Avenger II

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/A12-Avenger-II_zps0135b8c9.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/A-12AvengerII_zpsc38c5521.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-4G Phantom

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-4GPhantom_zps51387fc0.jpg

 

 

 

 

* F-3 Tornado Panavia

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-3TornadoPanavia_zpsb78c7d76.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-3TornadoPanavia2_zpsf0abab89.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Tornado_-_Cockpit_hinten_zpsdbe2a6ca.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Tornado_-_Cockpit_vorne_zps9fd3a523.jpg

 

 

 

* Mirage 2000-5 and N

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/m2000_5_25_zpse397875a.jpg

 

 

 

 

* Mirage 4000

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Mirage4000_zps55f618ee.jpg

 

 

 

 

* SR-71 Blackbird

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/SR-71_zpscebd2a25.jpg

 

 

 

 

* UAV

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Aeryon_Scout_In_Flight_zps695a3d89.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Global_Hawk_cropped_zpsb559c829.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/X-47B-at-Pax-River_zps640bd77a.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/HammerHead-PiaggioAero_zps3cb0f333.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/ROCAFMYSTICEYEUAV_zpsd5c60562.jpg

 

 

 

 

* SAAB J-35 Draken

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/SaabJ-35A_zpsb711827e.jpg

 

 

 

 

* SU-35BM

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Su-35BM_zpsb4085471.jpg

 

 

 

 

* SU-35

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Su-35_zps84670354.jpg

 

 

 

 

* SU-33 Naval Flanker

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Su-33_zps8c95a4d2.jpg

 

 

 

 

* SU-33MK1

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Su-30MKI_zpsc58b3ffa.jpg

 

 

 

* SU-27 Flanker

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Su-27_zpsca5e48ad.jpg

 

 

 

* Dassault Rafalel M

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/RafaleM_zps2be46ae8.jpg

 

 

 

 

* Mirage 2000 Upgrades

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Mirage2000Upgrades_zps67dede87.jpg

 

 

 

 

* MiG-29

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/MiG-29_zpsd95541f9.jpg

 

 

 

 

* MiG-21BS

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/MiG-21BS_zps1299480e.jpg

 

 

 

 

* MiG-19

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/MiG-19_zps9d7ed41c.jpg

 

 

 

 

* MiG-31

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/MiG-31_zpsf1c259ee.jpg

 

 

 

* JAS-39 Gripen

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/JAS-39Gripen_zpsf87b109a.jpg

 

 

 

 

* EF 2000 Typhoon

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/EF2000Typhoon_zps739d4641.jpg

 

 

 

* SAAB JAS -37 Vigen

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/JAS-37Viggen_zps91c14889.jpg

 

 

 

* AH-64 Apache

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/AH-64Apache_zpsdccb8ada.jpg

 

 

 

* AH-17 Super Cobra

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/AH-1ZSuperCobra_zps30346433.jpg

 

 

 

* MV-22 Osprey

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/MV-22Osprey_zps7c7f057b.jpg

 

 

 

* Kazan Mi-17 Mi-8M

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/KazanMi-17Mi-8M_zps3dd97b56.jpg

 

 

 

* F-111C Raven

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/F-111C_zps7774d7a0.jpg

 

 

 

 

* KC-135 Refuel Tanker

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/KC-135RefuelTanker_zps8f388e4d.jpg

 

 

 

 

* E3 Sentry AWACS

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/E3-SentryAWACS_zps69dcc9c4.jpg

 

 

 

* E2-2C Hawkeye

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/E-2CHawkeye_zps393c8dc2.jpg

 

 

 

 

* B2- Spirit Bomber

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/B2Spirit_zps2136129e.jpg

 

 

 

* B1B Lancer Bomber

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/B1BLancer_zpsb4a709da.jpg

 

 

 

* EA-6B Prowler

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/EA-6BProwler_zps5ce15b41.jpg

 

 

 

 

* C-17A Globemaster III

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/C-17AGlobemasterIII_zpsa1eddf18.jpg

 

 

 

 

* AC-130J Gun Ship Ghostrider

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/C-130J_zpsd512f2fc.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/glass-cockpit-130J-web-lr_zps7f63e5eb.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/article-1299305-0AA1A38D000005DC-307_634x337_zps837e3a12.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/weapons_ac130_gunship_zpsbeed5d16.gif

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/AC130techniques_zps4e10886a.jpg

 

 

 

 

* TU-160 Tupelov

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/TupolevTU-160_zps0bb49773.jpg

 

 

 

 

* A-50 Beriev or Illyushin 76 Upgrade

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/A-50BereievAWACS_zps7857cf4e.jpg

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/Il-76AWACS_zpsc01d614a.jpg

 

 

 

* ANII - 78 Refuel Tanker

 

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/ANII-78MRefuelTanker_zpsf6825161.jpg

 

 

 

* TU-95 AEW

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Cockpits/TU-95AEW_zps2e9d16c1.jpg

 

 

Wow ....... Nice yeah ........... especially after DCS 2.0.0 Build EDGE release!

What is Air War Combat?

 

Some People don't really understand what “Air War Combat Simulation” really is, its the missing critical feature to the ED-DCS sim the whole mission phase through the air war campaign.

 

For example the "Gulf War – Operations Desert Storm" - http://www.indepthinfo.com/iraq/airwar.shtml

 

You had EF-111 Raven’s for example flying as a operational shield as FAC mission profile with its electronic warfare capability jamming SAM launch sites as F-16’s flying in trail formation and other air frames were part of the mission joint phase in eliminating ground threats through tactical SEAD missions flying just behind them.

 

The EF-111 were instrumental in coordinating battle-space coordinates via communications by AWACS with high altitude bombers like the F-117, B1-B and B2 Spirit flying in reconnaissance missions through the night and reporting back intel to central command for next day strikes and mission planning.

 

Now not forgetting the US carrier battle strike group stationed just outside the Persian Gulf plus the 34 coalition forces with their operational air assets working together in the joint mission phase.

 

That's “Air War Combat” !

 

Cheers,

 

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Agree, I would like to see some more modern birds such as a F-16.

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... and, for modern aircrafts, you need the clearance of the department of defence and/or Nato or a contract with the developer army/airforce. otherwise you will go into jail for bringing out sensitive data to the public.

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The problem with the F-18 and other modern aircraft is that ED has yet to make a realistic radar, and A/A missiles are a bad joke. Until they get these things sorted having a modern multi-role or air superiority fighter will be a dream and they will continue to delay the F-18 while 3rd parties won't have enough information on how to code their own radars.

They chose the A-10C because it's pretty much the only modern attack aircraft that has no radar. DCS is basically a ground attack sim, but hopefully that will change in the future.


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Hi,

 

What is modern ?

Not primary the plane - it is the upgraded weapon and system technology

 

The A10C is modern - the Precision Engagement program for updating A10A`s is from 2007

X / Y / Z variants are modern, but not the A / B / C

 

Have a look at the wiki-list

It is 1991 - the end of the Cold War / Gulf War

( The Soviet war in Afghanistan ended in 1989 )

 

List of Gulf War military equipment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gulf_War_military_equipment

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DCS EDGE................ the future is here!

 

Hi all,

 

I would advise people to read these Links carefully,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is heaps of info on new Air Craft in development for DCS in these links

 

Hopefully more of what I have included in my list also here............. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2154802&postcount=6

 

Hoping that whats promised will be developed, thats all we can do!

 

Cheers,

 

:beer:


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Yeah again with this, we see a thread of this flavour every few weeks I guess :). I recall once even two of them popping up at the same day :P

 

First off, this is not targeted towards any person, please do not take it so. I'll rather adress a tendency I see on forum as general.

 

Folks like myself hope for many more WW II and Korea aircraft, but we don't go around and say "why you devs bother modern aircraft" when they announce one, try not to look so subjective please.

 

And this lack of modern aircraft development for DCS is a perceived one, not at all a real one. OP said, for example, they wanted a F/A-18 and an Apache. Guess what, both F-18C and E are in development, and Westland Apache is on to do list by VEAO.

 

Fact is, developing a fighter jet of 3rd generation or higher, takes long, laborous years. And even then, with 4th gen ones, a good deal of it's performance and systems information are classified, so they may not even be possible to do to a DCS standart without putting in many guesstimate or make-believe stuff into them.

 

Availability of FSX or X-Plane developments has pretty much no bearing on possibility of same platform to be developed for DCS, neither FSX nor X-Plane has a real combat enviorenment aside from some mods, they don't have to model every single system regarding aircraft and it's combat utilization, and flight model development for said titles are usually not as deep as DCS. There may be a few exceptions like VRS Superbug for FSX alright, but a few exceptions doesn't necessarily make good examples for "see many modern stuff is done very right on FSX and X-Plane, so why not DCS?"

 

Fact is, there are modern aircraft worked on / planned for DCS if you look at projects announced, discussed and shown on this very forums. It just takes a long time for development on such advanced platforms to evolve for reasons mentioned above.

 

If we list modern fighters that are being worked on right now (which I eagerly wait myself) :

- F/A-18C Hornet by Eagle Dynamics

- F/A-18E Super Hornet by Coretex Designs

- Mirage 2000C by RAZBAM & Metal2Mesh

- Eurofighter Typhoon by VEAO Simulations

- For many it may not count, but for me MiG-21Bis by Leatherneck Simulations also count as a fast mover with a radar and at least some precise-ish strike weapons ;)

 

Then if we look at titles that are announced for later development :

- Tornado, Sea Harrier, Rafale and Gripen by VEAO Simulations

- Harrier and F-15E by RAZBAM

- VEAO and RAZBAM also have on their roadmap somewhat older but still precision strike capable aircraft like A-7 and A-4M.

 

And let's not forget helicopters since OP specifically asked them :

- VEAO lists on their roadmap the Westland Apache AH1, British version of AH-64D Longbow

- While Belsimtek initially announced they are doing AH-1G, PilotMi8 from Belsimtek recently wrote on these forums that they are considering possibility of doing AH-1S or AH-1W instead.

 

Granted, a few of these projects may or may not fall by the wayside, but even then there still are many, and there should be just as many not announced yet. Long in short, there is no such problem as "lack of modern aircraft development for DCS", there just simply isn't...

 

Many people on forums seem to think very subjectively on module developments for DCS. For example, I've seen posts like "enough with the Russian stuff", while the only high fidelity russian aircraft are Ka-50 and MiG-21 soon to be released, along with Mi-8 which is a utility helicopter anyway. On the other hand many US and European modules are either developed or are on the way. Then there have been threads like "Digital Helicopter Simulator", when in fact, there are only 3 helicopters in DCS against a load of fixed wing aircraft available, and few helicopters titles are in development compared to fixed wing ones. It is stated many times that, DCS doesn't have a time period focus, and I may add that it, HOPEFULLY NEVER WILL. That is what makes DCS so awesome and full with potential. Both WWII and Korea/early jet periods are slowly getting well fleshed out which is awesome! Since it is much easier to develop full fidelity modules for these periods, we see a faster maturing of DCS options, while modern titles are already in development.

 

In face of these facts, it is almost rude to act "my way or highway" attitude that associated with such subjective expectations for having development efforts only on modules that they see fit to their taste, or what they think as "the only thing that make sense for DCS". I may add, it is also a little bit disrespectful to developers and other members of community who likes to see any development on DCS. There are people who want civilian, general aviation stuff on DCS, on which I have almost no interest at all, along with utility aircraft. But, I hope those folks will get awesome modules in those areas too!

 

Believe it or not, many people are having a blast with both propeller warbirds and the F-86, both online and offline, and are eagerly awaiting more of that, which doesn't make F-18 or Apache more distant... :)

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Well said. I wholeheartedly agree, there is far far too much nay saying and knocking of DCS, and frankly I can't understand why anyone would dismiss old new or in between given the superb modelling of all the new releases.

 

Instead of griping, try flying a few of them, and THEN start bitching. It's hard to single out one from the ever growing stable as being better than the rest. I couldn't possibly choose one period over another when there are so many strong points to the whole gamut. Getting to grips with a tail dragger one flight, then mixing it up with Mig15s the next, followed by the computerised world of the modern jet.

 

Just be happy, and be spoiled by choice.

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Hi WinterH, nice response!

 

I will agree with you on most of what you have said.

 

First lets define what is DCS..........

 

 

 

Digital Combat Simulator World (DCS World) is a free-to-play digital military aircraft battlefield simulation developed by Eagle Dynamics (ED).

 

It includes a free Sukhoi Su-25T attack aircraft and TF-51D Mustang, and is extensible through additional DCS modules as well as user-made add-ons and mods.

 

DCS World includes a vast mission area of the Caucasus region that encompasses much of Georgia - the location of the Russo-Georgian war in 2008.

 

Additionally, DCS World includes: powerful mission and campaign editors, online multiplayer, massive inventory of air, land and sea combat units and weapons, advanced AI, fast mission generator, dynamic weather and seasons, training missions, mission replay system, and pilot log book.

 

This all allows the creation of engaging, real-world combat missions in this flashpoint region. DCS is a true "sandbox" simulation that can and will in the future cover multiple time periods covering many types of combat and civilian units. DCS World allows both realistic game play and more relaxed game play to suit the player.

 

DCS modules that can plug into DCS World include aircraft, maps, ground units, campaigns, etc. Not only does DCS World include modules developed internally by Eagle Dynamics, but it also includes those by certified third party developers. The first third party aircraft to be introduced was the UH-1H Huey.

 

Future and upcoming modules include the McDonnell Douglas F/A-18C Hornet, Focke-Wulf Fw 190, BAE Systems Hawk, and Bell AH-1 Cobra.

 

 

Internet Reference:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Combat_Simulator

 

Study Sims

 

Modern jet combat aircraft and helicopters have a variety of complex electronic and weapon systems that are specific to a particular aircraft. This has led to a genre called the "study sim", which focuses on modelling an aircraft's systems as accurately as possible, often requiring thick manuals that rival the real manuals in detail. EF2000 might be an early iteration of such games, and when released by Digital Image Design (DiD) in 1995 it quickly garnered a cult following, including a user group that produced a detailed online manual of weapons and tactics. Soon afterward, a collaborative effort between Electronic Arts and Jane's specialized in such sims in the 1990s with titles such as Jane's Longbow, Jane's Longbow 2, Jane's F-15 and Jane's F/A-18.

 

Falcon 4.0 is perhaps the highest regarded example of this genre. This detailed simulation of the USAF F-16 Fighting Falcon was based on a series first begun in 1987 (Falcon). Later iterations improved the fidelity of avionics, weapons systems, physics, and flight models until version 4 was released by Spectrum HoloByte (later marketed by MicroProse) in 1998. Official development stopped after a few updates, but thanks to the intervention of MicroProse Chairman Gilman Louie, the Falcon 4 community took over development of further versions and add-ons. As of 2011, the community development is still highly active.

 

Helicopter simulations have their own story, beginning with Gunship, by MicroProse, in 1986. Nearly ten years later, in 1995, Digital Integration released Apache Longbow. The most sophisticated helicopter game to date, it would only be exceeded by Origin the year following. In 1996, Jane's AH-64D Longbow was created by Origin and released by Electronic Arts as part of the Jane's Combat Simulator series. The sequel, Jane's Longbow 2, was released late in 1997, improving every aspect of the game, particularly the terrain and objects. (Longbow 2 was one of the early simulations to take advantage of hardware accelerated graphics including advanced lighting). The following year, in 1998, Empire Interactive released Enemy Engaged: Apache vs Havoc allowing players to choose to fly for either the USA or for Russia. Meanwhile NovaLogic released the final iteration of their Comanche series in 2001.

 

The Digital Combat Simulator started with its first release DCS: Black Shark in 2008 a series of simulations, which can only be compared with Falcon 4.0 (and may excel the older simulation). The PC game simulates the Russian Kamov Ka-50 attack helicopter and was developed by Eagle Dynamics in cooperation with helicopter-manufacturer Kamov (the Kamov-logo can be found in the main-screen). The simulation features a complete and detailed cockpit of the Ka-50. All relevant switches are accurately modelled and functional. Over 500 key-commands are mapped, but the fully interactive cockpit allows virtually every switch and radio-button to be clicked and changed.[5]

 

Besides the traditional input-devices such as joystick, throttle and pedals, DCS has a built-in support for TrackIR with 6 DOF, creating (in conjunction with the interactive 3D-cockpit) a very realistic experience.

 

Due to the increased flexibility of the DCS system, additional fixed-wing aircraft and helicopter add-ons will be released as (independent) "modules" one by one, each module providing another realistic vehicle. The latest module released (release date September 21, 2012) features the North American P-51 Mustang.

 

 

Internet Reference:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_flight_simulator

 

 

 

Now DCS being a Combat Simulator hoping it grows to be a fully fledged study sim for many hardcore Air Combat virtual pilots, there is no reason why we cant have WWII or even commercial aviation, but first lets have better development / RoadMap and implementation of the Modern Air Combat side of it and introducing the rest or at least better management or planning and direction of the DCS sim as a Combat sim that started with a modern fighter the A-10 Warthog in CAS and FAC operations.

 

I have read so much that I understand the community sentiments here at DCS also.

 

So I'm hoping after EDGE 2.0.0 release that great development to many areas that will improve with the DCS series will be the direction taken, it sure does look promising!:smilewink::thumbup:

 

But we dont even have enough modern air craft that logistically make a war scenario realistic ( http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2154802&postcount=6 ) yet alone Theaters of War with Campaigns that identify with a Air Combat Study Sim in this category being DCS.

 

Creating anything and everything and titling it DCS standards means nothing but a mish mash and certainly missing the target of what DCS could be as a WAR Air Combat Sim with Historical and Theoretical battles with good working full click-able 6DOF military air craft.

 

Do you all see this clearer now or not, especially whats happened to the Falcon community and so many other sims just disappearing, companies going under so forth!

 

Lets wait and see what happens, I guess!

 

To some degree the Air Combat communities are witnessing the end of a great category of gaming being Air Combat Study Sims! Sadly! :cry:

 

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Hello,

 

I understand that DCS is trying to diversify their offerings, but there has been a large request for more modern weapons platforms, mainly the AH-64D Apache Longbow and the F/A-18E Super Hornet. For reference, see your own forums:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=51462

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=89004

 

PLEASE get out of this current rut of WW II and Korea and PLEASE add these 2 aircraft. I know several pilots who would love to fly off of a U.S. carrier and use something besides the KA-50 as a tank busting helicopter and if I know several, think of how many are out there worldwide. This is a segment of the aviation community that has been ignored since Flaming Cliffs 3 (pulling 3 aircraft out to sell singularly doesn't really count as new aircraft)

The Modern Crowd has not been ignored. The Ka-50 and A-10C are the oldest DCS modules. P-51 came next, then WWII and F-86/MiG-15 were announced, both apparently reaching release before the quite old F/A-18 (though type was initially undecided) project. This is probably because the 18 is just that much more complex and not because ED is not working on modern aircraft (which they've focused on almost exclusively).

 

Please consider the other perspective as well, namely any of the recently released aircraft (not the single aircraft taken out of the Flaming Cliffs module) but the MI-8, the P-51, the UH-1, The FW-190, and the F-86 against the modern ground units. the SAM threats alone will chew them up and the T-72 series of tank on up as well as the BMP line will have a field day with their ATGMs. Also, I don't believe that the Vietnam War and earlier series of aircraft are even able to take out a T-72 with it's primary weapons.

The A-10C, Ka-50, and AH-64 aren't going to do well against large SAM's either. But that's fine because that's not the only ground threat there is.

 

The ZU-23 was fielded in the 60's, but even the P-51 could survive against it. The Shilka is a similar story, but if you're worried about it and want something historically feasible, it's a non issue for the UH-1, Mi-8, F-86. Send appropriate SEAD aircraft to take them out (or in the case of the 86 just fly over their ceiling).

 

Ground units, the T-72 is hardly the oldest in sim. There are T-55's going back to the 50's and M60's on the blue side dating to the 60's. Lot's of buildings, infantry, and unarmed targets that older aircraft won't have trouble with too.

 

The vintage aircraft crowd has been favored for quite awhile.
Since when? They've barely started to get anything. Don't forget how long it takes to develop a module, and how much longer it takes to develop one based on a modern aircraft, and then how long it takes to develop a theater to operate in. Modern units inherited a full theater from Flanker/LOMAC. The WWII is being build from scratch. The 50-70's theater is not available, but can borrow a few units from the existing modern theater (certainly not a full list).

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I stick to this post ......... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2154802&postcount=6

 

Why because its a good balance of air craft for future DCS Global MAP - Theaters of WAR with many possible Campaigns and Training Missions. :smilewink: :thumbup:

 

Hence this post............ http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129053 :thumbup: :smilewink:

 

Cheers,

 

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Whilst everyone has their own points of view (which are all valid), I still agree wholeheartedly with the original post. Whilst I'm a big fan of DCS (owning everything up to the F86 and FW190), I keep asking the question - is anyone actually putting some thought into product development to keep DCS not just alive, but interesting??? Thats the part that fails. Why?

 

- we have modern a/c (FC3, A10C, KA50, Mi8)

- we have WW2 a/c (P51 and now the FW190)

- we have a Korea era a/c (F86)

- we have a Vietnam era a/c (Huey)

 

Yet we have:

 

- no new maps

- no common playability

- the promise of so much but the long periods between delivery (I understand it takes long to develop).

 

My point is....why doesn't ED focus their time/effort/resources on ensuring playability?? ie.

 

- modern a/c (FC3, etc)...then MORE modern a/c - F/A18, F16, F15E, etc etc.

- WW2? fine, then focus ONLY on WW2 ie. P51, FW190, A WW2 MAP, WW2 era a/c

- Korean conflict? fine, then MORE Korean conflict a/c - the F86 primarily went up against the Mig 15. Why not develop the Mig 15?

- Vietnam conflict? fine, then MORE Vietnam conflict a/c - Mig 17, F105, etc etc.

 

Instead we have 1 or 2 a/c from each period that never really flew/fought against each other. And we're still on the same map.

 

I understand these are made by different partners but c'mon.....you jump online onto a 'war' server only to see P51s flying up against A10s against Hueys against Mig 29s. wtf???

 

Why doesn't someone at ED go:

 

- okay, cut the crap - we're focusing on modern day a/c. You lot work on a new map (eg. Middle East), you lot work on the F/A 18, and the rest of you on an attack heli eg. AH64 or AH1Z or something.

- or the same for one of the eras above...take your pick. Just please PICK ONE.

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Because if they chose one era, or subject, then 3/4 of the forum would be saying do the other periods - just like is happening here!

 

Also, if a guy approached you and said I'm going to make X aircraft to run on DCS World, would you tell him to go take a hike if it wasn't exactly what you wanted to be developed, or would you say, yes please and give him the support he needs, then share in the profits generated?

 

Just be thankful there is a wide following, and a wide range of stuff, because the more people who use DCS, the bigger it will become. Without a wide customer base, there would be no DCS. Or would you rather lose 3/4 of the income of DCS just because you like one particular genre, and say "Go f@@@ yourselves, we aren't interested in what you want" and end up fading out within 6 months due to the lack of turnover?

 

There is an alternative of course - start developing the stuff that you want. That is, after all, just what the teams of third party developers are doing. No one is stopping you from developing exactly what you want, be it alien starships, or a biplane flown exclusively by the Outer Strombolian Navy in 1933. Or if you are a billionaire, maybe you could pay someone to do it for you.

 

The bottom line is that we'll get a mixture of stuff, some you'll love, some you won't bother with. It'll take a few years to arrive, and when it does, we can only hope it is up to the standard we have come to expect. The maps will appear when the graphics engine has been fully developed and implemented. New aircraft of all eras will arrive far later than the impatient forum members would want, and some will have flaws that will take a while to iron out.

 

That's life, so like it or lump it, that is how things stand, and how things will remain, no matter how many threads are started on this subject.

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Realistic Air Combat Flight Simualtion

 

Whilst everyone has their own points of view (which are all valid), I still agree wholeheartedly with the original post.

 

Why doesn't someone at ED go:

 

- okay, cut the crap - we're focusing on modern day a/c. You lot work on a new map (eg. Middle East), you lot work on the F/A 18, and the rest of you on an attack heli eg. AH64 or AH1Z or something.

- or the same for one of the eras above...take your pick. Just please PICK ONE.

 

I AGREE!

 

Not picking on DCS just gaming companies in general its history has always been a mess, with gaming companies and developers never really lasting the market changes no offense like the end of Microprose Falcon 4.0 or Janes USAF, wow really nice sims but what happened, sad!

 

Its sad whats happened to Air Combat Sim's, I guess I'm late to the party!

 

Gee if we could turn back time the 90's all the Air Combat Sims that were flooding the market.

 

The unbearable truth is now we have sweet technology like HD Ultra 3D LCD Screens Realistic GFX Engines, QuadCore i7 CPU's and GPU's and yet so many sim companies dont want to bother with the past.

 

I agree that just having a mish-mash of air craft does not make a .............. "Air Combat Sim"!

 

We need Theaters with Campaigns and air craft to fit the realistic "Historical Theater" battles and missions as well as creating "Theoretical Theater" scenarios.

 

I have stated this in other Forums but it all turns into long winded posts that are turned upside down closed and bans are given, sad yeah!

 

I hear you and there needs to be a better project planning and direction of what is a "Air Combat" sim by definition.

 

Like a "MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN" considering all that a "Air Combat Sim is about in content!

 

Honestly, looking back at FreeFalcon it had potential to be a huge sim, another sad!

 

You can have a a sim that has Combat - Commercial - Sport -Recreational flying all in just one sim...... if its properly developed .

 

Dont knock DCS entirely just yet though, I believe after the 2.0.0 Update and NTTR MAP if 3rd party developers are keen allot of what we want can be developed and achieved.

 

I desire great serious study sims that have all the goodies in a basket with modern tech so lets wait for EDGE and new DCS code whilst we post our wishes.

 

DCS is basically the last Air Combat Sim around really who else is going to step up, no one, right! We have all said plenty in various Forums!

 

Lets support them by assisting first as customers that we want the realistic modern air battles from the 60's onward and purchase those creations.

 

Now I posted............... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2154802&postcount=6

 

We just have to wait longer with anticipation that all is well!

 

Cheers,

 

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Why doesn't someone at ED go:

 

- okay, cut the crap - we're focusing on modern day a/c. You lot work on a new map (eg. Middle East), you lot work on the F/A 18, and the rest of you on an attack heli eg. AH64 or AH1Z or something.

 

Sorry, I have to bite. :P

 

What has ED released over the last several years?

1. Ka-50 Blackshark. An older but still relatively modern helicopter.

2. A-10C. A modern airplane.

3. P-51D. A WW2-era plane.

4. They're working on a new graphics engine.

5. They'll be releasing at least one new map (Nevada).

6. They're working on the F/A-18C Hornet. An older but still relatively modern plane.

7. They've only recently taken up the mantle of the DCS WW2 project since the original developers fell through (though ED has said they've hired much of that staff, so there should be "minimal" impact to their other projects).

 

With the exception of the P-51D, it sounds like they're doing pretty much exactly what you posted there. Modern aircraft, new map. :) The 3rd party guys are the ones doing the rest of the WW2, korea, and cold war aircraft.

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DCS is basically the last Air Combat Sim around really who else is going to step up, no one, right!

 

 

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Really?

 

Aren't you overlooking a number of other products, both in the marketplace, and in the final stages of development?

 

There is one hugely important factor being overlooked with modern aircraft. Availability of data, the secrecy surrounding them, and the manufacturers being precious about licencing products. Do you have any suggestions about how true to life sims can be made without those crucial stumbling blocks being overcome?

 

The facts are that you'll just have to accept that modern air combat is the hardest genre to cover here, and a lot of developers will take the less complexity, less obstacles route, and who can blame them! I am sure you realise that to develop the systems of a computer driven modern fighter will be 100 times more difficult than 1930s, 1940s and 1950s technology.

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