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Seems there were quite a few people doing them for the community but either everyone has one now or....

 

I don't have the space for a CNC (or time to learn all the complexities). Are people still making these for cash?

 

Is Glider_UK still in business?

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As far as I know there is no one currently making any kind of affordible control panels in the community.

 

Now for what some called affordable for every one:lol:

 

There was Frank not sure if he is building or not. I did see one web page several months ago but why do any business with with some one that showed up gained some information and plans for free then wants 45,000 Euro for that?

 

Then you have I-jett pilot might be affordable for you looks to be SWAGED on the dimensions and a couple of hundred euros for a back plate and light plate

http://www.i-jetpilot.de/joomla/index.php/portal-startseite

 

There is one other Gernan company making MFCD bezels and Landing gear panels but I can not find the web address at this time gata run all of it is pricy

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies

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Thanks Deadman. A pity these kind of garage guys dropped off the radar :-(

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Ah c'mon DM, that debuckle was almost a year ago :) And I'm sure market sorted everything out.

 

TS , I think it might be the slower summer time. Several people here have those machines but as you can see not a lot of progress being posted overall. My machine is still sitting unplugged, I'm done with my sim room renovations , now finishing up garage workshop. So sometime mid fall I will put the laser back online.

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agrasyuk I think you mean debacle not debuckle witch sounds like your dropping your trouser with I really don't want to see that. :smilewink:

The other seller has all SWAGED his measurements so if you don't use his Main Instrument Panel many of your panels will be small and at 761.00 Euro for a landing gear panel I woulds be a bit pissed off if it did not fit.

http://www.simparts.de/epages/15465782.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15465782/Categories/A10C1/Main_Panel

 

I have seen some of Mikes work witch is raved about on VP and I was not all that impressed IMHO

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I made myself a set off of reactor1's plans. It's a .60" bottom plate, a .220" middle (light) plate, and a .60" black on translucent top plate. The top plate is laser eched so you can see the translucent white . The whole thing is backlit from the bottom with LED strips. I had too many Honey-do projects while I was off of school for the summer so it's not finished yet. I posted some pics of the panels here in the forum. I have enough material to do another set. there are some of the panels that aren't modeled in DCS so that was kind of a waste but they look cool. Let me know what you want and Ill post a couple of pics of those panels. I'm only offering the three plastic pieces but I did make up a list of low cost switches that work well. You can use a Bodnar board and some flate cable to hook it all up and use Helios or mod the .lua files to drive them. I use Helios as it is very easy to do. Price is 3x the cost of the plastic and the check would have to written to the school where I work. All the proceeds go to the special need students program there.

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I'm really looking for a caution light panel or UFC.

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https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=215950

 

Pilot avatars for DCS Logbook

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You aren't in the panel making business deadman?

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Not at the moment but I have the information and the amount of PMs i get from people having problem with panel size and lack of availability has grown.

There may be enough interest to make a run or two I am prety sure my reputation for making extremely high quality products is intact

 

 

 

You aren't in the panel making business deadman?

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/133818-deadmans-cockpit-base-plans/#comment-133824

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DM, I'm wondering about your plans for use of that information. Are you still working on that guide you intended to publish? And more then anything I'm wondering about source of it. Is this something that was available to general public/contractors working on defence projects in some government registry., or is it proprietary stuff you came across by chance. Basically I'm trying to figure out if I have the excuse of not knowing anyone in the industry or if the only reason that I don't have it is my laziness to look for it.

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HI agrasyuk I have started back up on the book. I have reworked the pit in to a much simpler build but it still has the correct dimensions of the A-10. I am currently looking in to purchasing a plotter printer or i will sell a printed book through an online publisher.

 

The source of my information well the obvious one is the sim pit I purchased. I have only seen one post on a web site that contain contractor drawings for an A-10 sim pit and it was lock except for registered contractors with DOD. So It was not accessible to the public. I have been collecting A-10 parts manuals and drawings for over 10 years. I all so have all most every control panel in the aircraft.

 

There is very little information available on the A-10 compared with the vast amount of drawing and measurements available for the F-16 and other air craft. You have a great excuse for not having the information it is not available on the net for free, rarely at all

 

It has taken me a good amount of time and money to collect all of this information witch as you know i have tried to help people with on and off threw out the last couple of years.

 

 

 

DM, I'm wondering about your plans for use of that information. Are you still working on that guide you intended to publish? And more then anything I'm wondering about source of it. Is this something that was available to general public/contractors working on defence projects in some government registry., or is it proprietary stuff you came across by chance. Basically I'm trying to figure out if I have the excuse of not knowing anyone in the industry or if the only reason that I don't have it is my laziness to look for it.

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this is an understatement"Lots of work drawing all of the panels up and figuring out dimensions"

 

I have things to work off of and it is a ton of work.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies

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i am in the process of building a laser at the moment, have most of the internals, just need to build the external frame and then get a tube. If and when I finally get it finished and I will post the results.

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With as many of you guys that have build or purchased lasers and invested any ware from $1200 to $2000.00 or more in to it. With no complete plans available yet what are you guys doing for your panel sizes? just scaling off of picture or are you waiting on the plans ?

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/133818-deadmans-cockpit-base-plans/#comment-133824

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With as many of you guys that have build or purchased lasers and invested any ware from $1200 to $2000.00 or more in to it. With no complete plans available yet what are you guys doing for your panel sizes? just scaling off of picture or are you waiting on the plans ?

 

 

With the R1 plan http://hogpits.net/downloads/summary/6-reactorones-a-10-cockpit-panels/19--r1-a-10-panels-.html. It's a good starting point.

 

If you would provide a set of authentic measurements from the "real" thing, that'd be great. Otherwise, I will draw them to the way I like based on the R1 plan. I don't know R1's source data anyway. I displayed R1 plan's lighting panel on my screen, and then put the real panel on it. The location of dials and switches are a bit off, but not too badly off.

 

My lighting panel, however, is from the real thing (even though mine is from a mil simulator, it seems to use the same thing as the real production planes). I do use non-authentic font, but like a former colleague who used to work in the game industry often say -- if it looks good enough, it's good enough. 100% authentic is never my goal.

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I believe width wise, the majority of panels are the same as commercial aircraft panels which is.... cannot remember off the top of my head, and height i believe is based on 3/4 inch spacings ( the DZUS spacing size ), so with those dimensions i think you should be able to get close. Commercial aircraft use one of the futura fonts, so maybe start with that as I will most probably be looking to do some boeing panels initially. Could be talking a load of crap here (as usual) so if some one knows better.

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R1's drawing are the most copied out there and some are close as in the Ext Inter Lights panel you have compared to. Others are totally incorrect As far as I know R1 took his right out of the sim and then tried to scale them. The problem with this is the A-10 C cockpit designer for ED had very little to work with as far as scale information. Witch shows in several places he still did fantastic work, to make you think your sitting in an A-10C cockpit.

 

Personally I think if your taking the time to make a cockpit your doing it to do several things to feel more like your really flying in a aircraft. To get the tactile sense of being in a cockpit with switches and to create a more realistic over all experience to really get the adrenalin pumping!!

 

Now if you have access to a CNC or a CNC Laser why would you not go for the highest detail possible? I have been so impressed with the KA50 pit makers their attention to even the smallest detail is real incredible.

 

then on the other hand if your making panels for sale and your not working with the complete pit in mind you will end up with items that will never fit together.

As far as the panels being the same width as commercial panels I have no Idea the back plates in the A-10 are 5.75 wide the height is not all ways on the dzus lay out

 

 

 

With the R1 plan http://hogpits.net/downloads/summary/6-reactorones-a-10-cockpit-panels/19--r1-a-10-panels-.html. It's a good starting point.

 

If you would provide a set of authentic measurements from the "real" thing, that'd be great. Otherwise, I will draw them to the way I like based on the R1 plan. I don't know R1's source data anyway. I displayed R1 plan's lighting panel on my screen, and then put the real panel on it. The location of dials and switches are a bit off, but not too badly off.

 

My lighting panel, however, is from the real thing (even though mine is from a mil simulator, it seems to use the same thing as the real production planes). I do use non-authentic font, but like a former colleague who used to work in the game industry often say -- if it looks good enough, it's good enough. 100% authentic is never my goal.


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For me, this is mainly an interest i have had for quite some time, my intention at present is not to build panels for sale, so will be building to my own dimensions. If the panels and electronics, which i am currently working on using can bus, and data transfer through a dll loaded by a lua script all comes out looking and working well, then i might consider selling a complete system or partial system that can be added to, but that is a long time off, and as we have all seen, a lot of people who were selling stuff are no longer around.

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Most of the panels people have draw up are metric in size. I have 3 or 4 drawings of R1's panels that I sized to ASE specs. Got tired of that and just cut out R1's. They look great. I did realize after cutting them out that some are not modeled and some will never be used. I just finished painting the edges and have a few wired up.

The thing is, no matter how realistic your cockpit is, it will never get off the ground. even with a motion simulator the chances of crashing and dying during a crosswind landing is nil. In St. Pete I would have to clear a 5 story hospital then drop down to land on runway 07 with a 15 knot crosswind, then get stopped before taking a swim with the sharks in Tampa Bay. When it's all said and done this really is just a game.

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As promised, the lighting control panel SolidWorks files can be downloaded in the following URL, http://www.hempstick.org/download/warthog/Warthog-LightControlPanel.zip

 

This is measured directly from a real A-10 simulator panel. I bought the whole thing from eBay, which included the "electronics" and the mill-spec connecto and housing. It uses variable power transformer instead of pots (there is one that actually uses a pot)

 

The US military has long standardized on mm as the length unit (standardized is a relative term... a lot of their screws and bolts are still imperial unit ones). But, somehow, the designers are still used to Imperial measurement and they have to work with raw stock that are in imperial units. So, they sometimes have weird mm length that only make sense when you convert them to inches. I have to work with such mixed bag of measurements as well as I live in the US... It's very tough for me to get any raw stock that are in metric (reads expensive). So, I always draw such things in metric units, but uses imperial unit stock.

 

A good example is the thickness of the panel. it's ... 1/4" (the real one is 1/4" thick too!).


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Most of the people that drew up plans are from the EU hence the metric plans.

 

Thick 8 i am not quite sure why you keep bring up the ASE standard when there has never been a clear connection made between it and the actual panel design

 

your second analogy confuses me to the point that i must ask why your even making a cockpit then.

 

I don't suggest any one make a 100 percent accurate A-10 C cockpit simulator . What I do suggest is that you look at your complete build so that you don't end up with 3 feet of panel and 32 inches of console to put them in.


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