Aeons Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Hi, Was just wondering if the flight model for single wing flight will be fixed in a later version? I can fly the Dora with a single wing (actually a bit of wing left) and land it ok also. Anyone else have this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Yes, from landing thread: My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeons Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Yes, from landing thread: ahh cool, i did a search but didn't find anything but at least its been brought up and hopefully will be fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 isnt necessarily a bug though! its hard to fly with a piece of a wing missing, and not everytime you will be able to keep control of the aircraft. also in real life wwii birds kept flying with pieces of the wings missing. there are couple of evidences.in real life though for a good reason, most pilots will probably pull the chute as soon as they see a bit of their wing missing.i think thats the biggest difference between such a situation in real life and here in the sim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Standard image for this discussion... Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Also the A5M... Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeons Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 nice pics! i recall an israeli airforce pilot also landing with only one wing but that was a turbine. however i think the pics from the sim show very little wing left in this case. if half of it was broken off fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIMANAMAN Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) I've only encountered this once so far... But it seemed simulated realistically to me - manageable at cruise but much more input needed on landing... Manageable but difficult - I goofed up on short final, and changed my plan too late: and switched from landing with take off flaps (the original plan), to a full flaps landing way too late (so I think the flaps were still deploying at touch down)... And nearly ran into a AI squad mate on roll out:) But in fairness to the OP - I lost a lot less wing by the looks of things... Edited September 16, 2014 by VIMANAMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOnTheOP Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 However, both of those aircraft has a *much* higher proportion of their total wing surface remaining than the DCS Dora does in the OP; both are at 60-80% of their wing remaining, while the Dora is at... maybe 35-40%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIMANAMAN Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) yes I agree - if the OP's aircraft was controllable at landing speed - with the damage shown - i.e <50 wing remaining - something seems 'off'? Surely?? Can you post a track or something similar so ED can look at it - Nice one. S EDIT 3!! Edited September 16, 2014 by VIMANAMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeons Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 looks like this has now been fixed in the latest patch. I haven't been able to confirm it yet though (too busy flying the mig21bis) Change Log 1.2.10 32275 Update 2 DCS World Fixed lost of progress in campaign after 1.2.10.03295 update Fixed bug when player at start mission switching to aircraft with random skill instead assigned aircraft Fixed server crash on Radio.dll in multiplayer Fixed crash in multiplayer mode when uses Oculus Rift device Added missing picture of MiG-15Bis in encyclopedia for RU and DE version Added missing textures of BTR-80 for Ukraine and Georgia DCS Flaming Cliffs Su-27/33, MiG-29. The numbers of waypoint on cockpit display now are same as ME DCS Fw 190 D-9 Fixed: With wings or ailerons off, FW190 has roll controllability Added English training missions Added Russian quick start missions Added Czech quick start and single missions Update 2 is available in Open Beta today and will be in main version tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 If it flies - it can fly. In the DCS FM even the changed aspect ratio is taken in account. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 ^^YOU SIR amaze me every time :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) ^^YOU SIR amaze me every time :) Indeed he does David - I am also a "victim" of Yo-Yo's delightful posts here at the ED Forums ! I actually couldn't resist posting this at my other combat sim forum, because this very same issue has been brought to light there quite a few times :-) Edited September 24, 2014 by jcomm Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klem Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Can we have ASAC on the FW190. I think I could use if even with both wings still on. :lol: :pilotfly: klem 56 RAF 'Firebirds' ASUS ROG Strix Z390-F mobo, i7 8086A @ 5.0 GHz with Corsair H115i watercooling, Gigabyte 2080Ti GAMING OC 11Gb GPU , 32Gb DDR4 RAM, 500Gb and 256Gb SSD SATA III 6Gb/s + 2TB , Pimax 8k Plus VR, TM Warthog Throttle, TM F18 Grip on Virpil WarBRD base, Windows 10 Home 64bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 Can we have ASAC on the FW190. I think I could use if even with both wings still on. :lol: :pilotfly: I am sure you can handle the remaining controls better than ASAC! Because of euristic way of the human mind. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeons Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Edited September 24, 2014 by Aeons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) And? Sometimes it shows the plane that does roll. Skyraider in Duxford after a midair collision with P-51 turned full 360 degrees roll too. But it landed safely. Who can say, that the pilot was not shot dead or wounded with the same burst? Who can say that feeling the bad hit and strange plane behaviour the pilot began to unlock harness to bail out? Who can say that controls was not damaged (sometimes it happens even without fighting - few days ago Yak-52 crashed after the controls jammed). UPD at 0-14 in your video the plane proceeds to roll left though a part of its RIGHT wing was ripped off. :) So what can it show? Edited September 24, 2014 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 There is the dimension of self preservation as well, in those the pilot might be more concerned with bailing out that trying to stabilize, lets be honest, if he did stabilize in that situation the pursuing plane would just light him up more no doubt... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeons Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 And? cause x-plane said its not possible :music_whistling: no but in all honesty, if you have about 10% of the wing left on one side like in the previous Posts/pics, wouldnt the lift thats being produced from the other wing be just too great for the dora to keep flying it (would the one remaining aileron and rudder be able to actually Counter?)? i understand if some of the wing was gone ,sure but that much? im gonna have to tap these aerofoil numbers into my calc :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) cause x-plane said its not possible :music_whistling: no but in all honesty, if you have about 10% of the wing left on one side like in the previous Posts/pics, wouldnt the lift thats being produced from the other wing be just too great for the dora to keep flying it (would the one remaining aileron and rudder be able to actually Counter?)? i understand if some of the wing was gone ,sure but that much? im gonna have to tap these aerofoil numbers into my calc :pilotfly: Where did you see 10%? And what is the previous post you point to? Edited September 24, 2014 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 And? Sometimes it shows the plane that does roll. Skyraider in Duxford after a midair collision with P-51 turned full 360 degrees roll too. But it landed safely. Who can say, that the pilot was not shot dead or wounded with the same burst? Who can say that feeling the bad hit and strange plane behaviour the pilot began to unlock harness to bail out? Who can say that controls was not damaged (sometimes it happens even without fighting - few days ago Yak-52 crashed after the controls jammed). UPD at 0-14 in your video the plane proceeds to roll left though a part of its RIGHT wing was ripped off. :) So what can it show? Right. Because we can safely assume that in every video of a plane losing part of all of a wing, some other factor other than the obvious wing loss accounts for the death spiral every time. Also: in the one where the plane goes left after losing the wing, that aircraft was already most of the way over the apex of its roll, after losing its wing, momentum caused it to continue its roll, and you can notice that the rate increases on the side with less wing(and less drag) after it flops over. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 Hi, Was just wondering if the flight model for single wing flight will be fixed in a later version? I can fly the Dora with a single wing (actually a bit of wing left) and land it ok also. Anyone else have this? Do you really think it's 10%??? Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 Hi, Was just wondering if the flight model for single wing flight will be fixed in a later version? I can fly the Dora with a single wing (actually a bit of wing left) and land it ok also. Anyone else have this? When showing things like this, its always best to include the track. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted September 24, 2014 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2014 Right. Because we can safely assume that in every video of a plane losing part of all of a wing, some other factor other than the obvious wing loss accounts for the death spiral every time. Huh? Who said that? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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