Hartsa Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 I already asked this in SimHQ, but asking it again over here(sorry). So, when I am doing a lock on with SU27 and lets say VS, BORE/Helmet mode I can't see any info about target in HUD(speed, altitude, bearing). Also the MFD is not showing normal STT beam what it should show?. All this was working with 1.02, but after installing 1.1 it's not working as it used to be. Am I doing somenthing wrong or is this bug?. I am feeling like flying WWII plane right now .
Petrov Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 I kinda miss that from 1.02 . It was so much easier back then. Now I judge where the bandit is heading based on my Rmax with my r-73. It's just the way it is now since 1.1 . It's not a bug. I don't know why it is that way though. Maybe someone else can answer.
britgliderpilot Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 I kinda miss that from 1.02 . It was so much easier back then. Now I judge where the bandit is heading based on my Rmax with my r-73. It's just the way it is now since 1.1 . It's not a bug. I don't know why it is that way though. Maybe someone else can answer. Because that's the way it works in the real aircraft? ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Hartsa Posted March 19, 2006 Author Posted March 19, 2006 Because that's the way it works in the real aircraft? ;) Any info about that?. Would be nice to read about the change(maybe I need a new pair of glasses).
59th_LeFty Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Because that's the way it works in the real aircraft? ;) Well, I think that's the main reason, but as far as I know, in the MiG-29A/B the speed and altitude infos about the target, aren't displayed at all. [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
Kenan Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 When in CAC mode, make sure your radar is turned ON and is not in EOS mode (hit "I"), and then you should be able to make out if it's a friendly or not by an appearance of cyrilic "C" letter on the left of the HUD. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
Hartsa Posted March 19, 2006 Author Posted March 19, 2006 When in CAC mode, make sure your radar is turned ON and is not in EOS mode (hit "I"), and then you should be able to make out if it's a friendly or not by an appearance of cyrilic "C" letter on the left of the HUD. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. When doing the lock on from BVR mode it's working like it used to be when doing lock from CAC modes with 1.02. But when doing lock with 1.1+ and CAC modes all the info and STT beam in MFD are missing. Just feels strange, 'cause after lock the STT mode comes in. And yes, radar is ON :). Here is a pic what I mean:
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 So, when I am doing a lock on with SU27 and lets say VS, BORE/Helmet mode I can't see any info about target in HUD(speed, altitude, bearing).We were told that is how it works in the real MiG's and Sukhoi's. That is the reason they took these information out with version 1.1. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Hartsa Posted March 20, 2006 Author Posted March 20, 2006 We were told that is how it works in the real MiG's and Sukhoi's. That is the reason they took these information out with version 1.1. Ok, but doesn't anyone have link about this change? :).
GGTharos Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Various people may have the MiG-29 and Su-27SK declassified manuals where you -might- find information on this. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Force_Feedback Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Various people may have the MiG-29 and Su-27SK declassified manuals where you -might- find information on this. I'm on it, but only for the su-27s, I've lost the miggie manual Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Force_Feedback Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 First of all, I'd like to go off topic :p Found out what the GCI screen looks like in the real thing, and, as most of us knew, it was completely different from the one in lomac, and more complicated as well. Vectors is the keyword in this whole system, well, I haven't read about the system, but at least I now know where to look. 1. Distance according to fuel reserve 2. Deviation from designated course (Current vector -given vector=delta Vector) 3. Zone of probable location of the target from GCI in BP mode (have no idea what BP mode is) 4. Target from GCI with height line, number and speed vector. 5. Observation zone from the on-board radar 6. Fighter index with height line and speed vector 7. Fighter number 8. Scale Here are some pics of the real thing in action: This one is in NAV mode, but still interesting to see There is also said that the ACS can fly the plane to an intercept location, through GCI commands with forces of up to 4G. I'll read about that later. As far as CAC goes, the HUD displays the height of the target on the right side, and a speed differential scale which also displays your own speed, which looks like the missile range scale, but is on the right side of the HUD. I'm too lazy right now to translate all the numbers. This differntial range scale is only available when the radar is engaged, when only the optical system is the main system, the range scale doesn't show any information. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Hartsa Posted March 20, 2006 Author Posted March 20, 2006 Someone from dev team could answer why it is like the way it's right now:). Really strange that radar don't give any info when doing lock from CAC(radar on), but gives all info when doing lock from BVR mode. Both ways should enable the same STT mode?.
GGTharos Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Um, the dev team already SAID that they did it this way because it's how it is in the real aircraft. That's exactly why everyone is repeating this to you; or are you saying we're lying? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Hawg11 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Um, the dev team already SAID that they did it this way because it's how it is in the real aircraft. That's exactly why everyone is repeating this to you; or are you saying we're lying? Some people like to see sources for things. We shouldn't get offended or upset because of it. Dave "Hawg11" St. Jean
Bravo020 Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 I think that Hartsa is trying to find where this was explained. He's not calling anyone a liar or at least I don't think that he is. It's just that there is obviously a significant difference in the way that this information is displayed between different versions of Lock On and yet from what I can tell this change is neither described in the documentation or readme files. Does the change get referenced in the documentation or readme file? Is there a link to where this change is discussed? Regards.
Hartsa Posted March 20, 2006 Author Posted March 20, 2006 I was/am NOT calling anyone liar :(. I just wanted to see some words about this change, that's all. I totally missed that member of dev team already posted to this topic.
britgliderpilot Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 First of all, I'd like to go off topic :p Found out what the GCI screen looks like in the real thing, and, as most of us knew, it was completely different from the one in lomac, and more complicated as well. Vectors is the keyword in this whole system, well, I haven't read about the system, but at least I now know where to look. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/force_Feedback/10921099109210921099.jpg This one is in NAV mode, but still interesting to see http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/force_Feedback/109210991099.jpg[MG] There is also said that the ACS can fly the plane to an intercept location, through GCI commands with forces of up to 4G. I'll read about that later. As far as CAC goes, the HUD displays the height of the target on the right side, and a speed differential scale which also displays your own speed, which looks like the missile range scale, but is on the right side of the HUD. I'm too lazy right now to translate all the numbers. This differntial range scale is only available when the radar is engaged, when only the optical system is the main system, the range scale doesn't show any information. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/force_Feedback/RLE_SU_27_kn1_193.jpg Force, you officially rock. Any chance you can fiddle through some of the more odd HUD symbology displayed in the manual? There's some weird stuff with jagged-edged explosion-type-graphics on some of the earlier pages . . . . looks like it might be about BVR tactics. Any insights? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
britgliderpilot Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 I was/am NOT calling anyone liar :(. I just wanted to see some words about this change, that's all. I totally missed that member of dev team already posted to this topic. Come to that, I missed a dev team post . . . . not sure there was one. At least three of us remember being told that's why the change was made, so you might have to trust us. If a dev had to answer every question like this then they'd never get a game made ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Hartsa Posted March 21, 2006 Author Posted March 21, 2006 Some people like to see sources for things. We shouldn't get offended or upset because of it. Exactly :D .
nscode Posted March 21, 2006 Posted March 21, 2006 Force, (and others) did you see that manual in .doc format in the russian part of the forum. "A bit" easier finding something when you've got the search function :) Oh, and why don't we have that mode where hud is copied to hdd :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Force_Feedback Posted March 21, 2006 Posted March 21, 2006 Force, (and others) did you see that manual in .doc format in the russian part of the forum. "A bit" easier finding something when you've got the search function :) No I haven't, plz give me a link, and I probably will translate a part of the manual, concerning the GCI and combat modes, this weekend. Sorry, I have a really busy week, but after that it's all laid-back, so bear with me. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
nscode Posted March 21, 2006 Posted March 21, 2006 Thing this is it, but not sure http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=5526&highlight=%F1%F3-27%F1%EA Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
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