Exocet Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Hi all During a training mission. I realized a maneuver that saved my life , a strange cobra ... My mate recorded the maneuver from his mi8. I know that FM is not finished , but it would be a very big job changing this parameter . I ask to letherneck , are normal ? And I ask the question to the forum community .. what do you think? :ermm: Edited September 24, 2014 by Exocet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Well, if someone ever dared to perform a cobra that close to the ground, I guess that's kinda what it'd look like. Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exocet Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 the end of the maneuver is really strange, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoJoe Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Looked like this was multiplayer, so it's possible latency came into play. I've seen some planes do weird things in MP sometimes. The best way to find out would be to try that yourself in the MiG. I might go do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Stick to the balls, full AB :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Seeing as the Mig-21 is not capable of the Cobra IRL, it should not be possible. The only fighters capable of the cobra are certain 4th Gen and 5th Gen ships. However, Im not convinced that what you did was necessarily a Cobra. Mainly, I think the distinction between what you did and a proper cobra was that you came in from a dive, rather than in level flight, and your aircraft continued to fly in the direction the nose was pointed more or less. In a Cobra, the aircraft travels almost perpendicular to the AoA. You did not, as your plane began to accelerate upwards almost immediately. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) The only fighters capable of the cobra are certain 4th Gen and 5th Gen ships. Haaaaaave ya met Draken? :) But yeah, this isn't really the same thing as when a modern jet does it on purpose, I know. I just wanted an excuse to post that video :D Edited September 24, 2014 by Corrigan Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Granted that is the one exception. The Mig cannot do the cobra however. And what he does in that video in game is not a cobra. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I have managed to pull a cobra like maneuver in the mig. Just go around 700 kph and yank the stick back. The nose will travel 90 degrees and the aircraft will just keep plowing forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Not my video. But look at 2:50. Its close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exocet Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 Granted that is the one exception. The Mig cannot do the cobra however. And what he does in that video in game is not a cobra. I know it's not really a cobra, but I find it very strange the output of the maneuver that is not possible as the result of this has happened and to stop the speed vector, to the ground. the inertia of the aircraft would never let him do such a stunt in real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverofx441 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Take a look at this. Very possible for a Mig 21. Edit: the pilot's name: Ahmed Kamal Al Mansouri. Edited September 24, 2014 by silverofx441 Intel i5 2500K 4.2 Ghz GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr ii 16 Gb DDR3 RAM Win 7 64 bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_Smiles Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Silver beat me to it. That maneuver you did reminds me very much of that Egyptian MiG incident, so seems definitely possible for a MiG-21 to pull off that maneuver from your video in real life. "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolut Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Epstein is maybe the only one who knows it. That maneuver reminds me to exact that Story. I am really tired of competence without any source! Thanks for the link silver...didnt found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxideMako Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Silver beat me to it. That maneuver you did reminds me very much of that Egyptian MiG incident, so seems definitely possible for a MiG-21 to pull off that maneuver from your video in real life. Same here. The MiG-21 is actually alot more agile than most people think. Just look at the USAF testing of one. (Have Doughnut IIRC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverofx441 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Epstein is maybe the only one who knows it. That maneuver reminds me to exact that Story. I am really tired of competence without any source! Thanks for the link silver...didnt found it. You betcha!!:thumbup: Intel i5 2500K 4.2 Ghz GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr ii 16 Gb DDR3 RAM Win 7 64 bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverofx441 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Same here. The MiG-21 is actually alot more agile than most people think. Just look at the USAF testing of one. (Have Doughnut IIRC) Exactly! Intel warned us (RCAF) about the 21 back in the 80's. A lot of Warsaw pact countries were still using it back then and they told us to not underestimate this little beast. I remember this guy during a briefing saying something like "anyone who thinks the Mig 21 is obsolete is going to have is ass handed to him in a one on one if the pilot of that Mig is any good". We started flying the "Bug" (CF-188) around that time and HQ thought we were getting a little too arrogant. Edited September 24, 2014 by silverofx441 1 Intel i5 2500K 4.2 Ghz GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr ii 16 Gb DDR3 RAM Win 7 64 bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Exactly! Intel warned us (RCAF) about the 21 back in the 80's. A lot of Warsaw pact countries were still using it back then and they told us to not underestimate this little beast. I remember this guy during a briefing saying something like "anyone who thinks the Mig 21 is obsolete is going to have is ass handed to him in a one on one if the pilot of that Mig is any good". We started flying the "Bug" (CF-188) around that time and HQ thought we were getting a little too arrogant. That's actually a really cool story. Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The bugs quickly proved that the 21 is indeed obsolete though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Of course, in the same way a rifle makes a sword obsolete. Doesn't mean you suddenly wanna get poked by one :P Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverofx441 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The bugs quickly proved that the 21 is indeed obsolete though. I get ya. What i mean is it's always a mistake to sit back and relax and figure your equipment is so advance that you will never get in trouble. So what they were saying (intel) is complacency plus a Mig 21 with a good pilot in it was a sure way to get your butt shot down. Reminds me of another story here. When we got our Argus CP-107 (sub hunter patrol airplane), they were simply unmatched. Even the Americans envied us. Then one day, they were not so advanced. In fact, every other country seemed to have a better sub hunter. But during training exercises we kept having better results and find super silent subs and "kill" them. I'm talking US subs here. Of course they wanted to know how we did it. it seemed we relied more on good 'ol tactics and they relied to much on state of the arts electronics. they admitted they became arrogant and complacent. it was a good lesson learned and the reason why countries have to train all the time for war: so we don't underestimate our adversary and we don't get all nice and comfy we our new technology. And come to think of it, look at the Zulu wars. The British army got it's butt kicked by half naked warriors with bow and arrows and spears while they were sporting Martini-Henry Mk I–IV. The British eventually prevailed but not after suffering heavy casualties. Anyhow, the Mig 21 module is awesome!! Intel i5 2500K 4.2 Ghz GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr ii 16 Gb DDR3 RAM Win 7 64 bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I know what you're trying to say now, but you never know- there's at least one 'study' out there that suggests the mig21 is somehow competitive with modem fighters in bfm, and it's simply not true. As an aircraft, it is inferior. Training exercises are another issue - the entire point is to demonstrate to the pilots what might surprise them, and that's that. You won't be able to use such surprises on a pilot who does things right anyway. PS: all that said, I'm not here to be negative. I'll be getting the module on the short term myself. Because they're smaller faster and more maneuverable... Just like the enemy MIGs! :-D Edited September 24, 2014 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Of course, in the same way a rifle makes a sword obsolete. Doesn't mean you suddenly wanna get poked by one :P Pffftttttt hahahahahhaha :megalol: Oh so true :thumbup: Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Penguin Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Of course, in the same way a rifle makes a sword obsolete. Doesn't mean you suddenly wanna get poked by one :P But can your rifle do this? :D Per Ardua Ad Aquarium :drink: Specs: Intel i7-9700K, GTX 2080TI, 32GB DDR4, ASUS ROG Strix Z390-E, Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverofx441 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 That's actually a really cool story. Lol! Thanks! We had quite a bit of respect for the "Flygvapnet" by the way. I loved the way you guys landed Viggens on streches of highways! Intel i5 2500K 4.2 Ghz GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr ii 16 Gb DDR3 RAM Win 7 64 bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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