Flagrum Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) On the ground it is possible to perform turns without applying the brakes, just by actuating the rudder pedals. This happens for speeds as low as 5+ km/h. It is possible to turn 360 deg. on a wide(ish) runway without problems just with the rudder. According to the DCS manual, first hand reports and by laws of physics this should not be possible. (Assumptions: the nose wheel is freely pivoting and is not steerable at all - as first hand reports and DCS and RL manuals seem to suggest). This issue was discussed in the 21 main forum already - further details can be found there. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=130972 (@mods: perhaps that thread can be appended here?) Edited March 12, 2015 by Cobra847 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin887 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Thank you Flagrum, steering is relaxed to support vast majority of casual players who described braking as "extremely complex" during myriad of tests with "realistic" breaking. We had to do it. Power through superb knowledge, training and teamwork. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Could you not make it one of those special options, like the engine management? It could even default on. Please? Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izgud Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Thank you Flagrum, steering is relaxed to support vast majority of casual players who described braking as "extremely complex" during myriad of tests with "realistic" breaking. We had to do it. Very disappointed to hear this. Unacceptable in DCS, IMO. Could you not make it one of those special options, like the engine management? It could even default on. Please? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Could you not make it one of those special options, like the engine management? It could even default on. Please? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IonicRipper Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Could you not make it one of those special options, like the engine management? It could even default on. Please? x2 on the special option i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golo Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Thank you Flagrum, steering is relaxed to support vast majority of casual players who described braking as "extremely complex" during myriad of tests with "realistic" breaking.We had to do it. This is why we play DCS and not HAWX and such, is it not? Bring it back. As option at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmp Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I would also like that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joki Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLR Rico Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 +1!! Anything that degrades realism in favor of playability should be an option. i5-4670K@4.5GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / GTX1080 Rift CV1 / G-seat / modded FFB HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Thank you Flagrum, steering is relaxed to support vast majority of casual players who described braking as "extremely complex" during myriad of tests with "realistic" breaking. We had to do it. Uhhhm ... then those should prepare for a surprise if they are going to land that beast - that is where I am struggeling with atm. Taxiing is probably the easiest part of handling the MiG, in my (limited) experience so far. :o) Differential braking in the Dora and some specialities with the Sabre ... then the MiG can not really be that hard to drive around? Hrmm ... Could you not make it one of those special options, like the engine management? It could even default on. Please? +1! Yes, pretty please! "Taxi Assistance 0-100%" to tune the degree of artifical nose wheel steering. As it is right now, one can even get away with it and never has to use diff. braking at all - if you taxi foresightfully. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Differential braking in the Dora and some specialities with the Sabre ... then the MiG can not really be that hard to drive around? Hrmm ... I agree, had a very difficult time taxiing the Dora and Mustang until I had some practice. Now its easier, but still somewhat challenging. No matter how difficult something is, I always enjoy the challenge, and getting better. Besides I really enjoy the "quirks" of each aircraft.. Really differentiates the different a/c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetra Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 +1 Would also like to see "proper" steering as an option, feel like I am missing a good chunk of the ground experience when the Mig currently taxi's as if it had full NWS. My Mods: Radar Warning Receiver Audio Expansion G-Breath Sound Mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddhenda Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 an option to tune the difficulty would be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oesau Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 +1 agree, it would be good to have this as an selectable option (if that can be done) in a future update (not that this is a critical item). The A-4C coming out in the future will have the same challenge - no nose wheel steering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 (edited) Too complex for casuals? Okay, that's fine, make it a Game mode only feature then please. For sim mode however it should be as the real aircraft is. Differential braking isn't hard to understand as per the manual, it's just pull the lever and then actuate the rudder. People seem to be coping with it in the Dora, and they're going to have to deal with it further for the BF109k (and ME262 when that lands in 2015). I'm not demanding it's inclusion as it's a fairly small thing out of the overall module, and I do understand some concessions have to be made (like the extended viewing angles et al) but it's not exactly like other parts of the module aren't complex or very specific in the way they have to be performed, and it is glaringly at odds with the manual. Edited September 27, 2014 by Buzzles Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krebs20 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I would like to see the braking fully modeled along with the nose wheel being correct. This is DCS! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLR Rico Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 So, any other "casual player" concessions ya'll want to come clean about? ;) i5-4670K@4.5GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / GTX1080 Rift CV1 / G-seat / modded FFB HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 please restore the prior realistic braking system [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I posted a poll here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=131408 That's probably a better way of letting LN know how we feel. Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 +1000 for realism. Casual players? They have the choice: Get real or out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChoSeungWan Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 +1 for realism option How will I ever make it into Best Korean air force if I can't even get onto the runway? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejjvid Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This is why you should let hard core players test DCS-level modules and not casual HAWX players.. i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upupandaway Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) please restore the prior realistic braking system +1 (as an option) Edited September 29, 2014 by upupandaway [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Deedle, deedle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGozr Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Could you not make it one of those special options +1 Fly it like you stole it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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