LJQCN101 Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) I was searching the forum for Su-33 carrier landing techniques along with some Youtube videos on this subject, that I noticed some people tend to land the aircraft with a higher landing speed than what is suggested by the HUD, usually with a flashing yellow light in the AoA indicator. I even succeeded in carrier landings with a speed as fast as 400 km/h. So, I wonder IRL, is there any potential danger or hazard in landing the aircraft faster than normal? (i.e. the optimal speed is 250 km/h in certain conditions but you're landing with a speed of 300.) Edited October 22, 2014 by LJQCN101 EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations.
Erdem Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 I think this might be the danger: I don't know the technicalities but those cables are probably built for certain landing speeds and weight. Considering the Su-33 is a quite heavy fighter, the speed tolerance is probably not that much.
joey45 Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Breaking the landing gear, the hook and or the cables.... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
JOKERACTS Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) the Su-33 fuel gauge problem, fixed at 6000KG while loaded with full 8500KG/9400KG, the accurate full fuel weight was 8500KG. carrier take off weight with max 6000KG fuel level only?, but on ground airport should be able to load with max 8500KG. about the landing speed, I think the optimal 250KM/h is for full loaded Su-33, full 8500KG fuel and full weapon load in all pylons. AND probably for static landing speed where the carrier stopped with 0KM/h speed.? my previous flight always land at about +/- 300KM/h, that because I set the carrier sail at maximum speed about 50KM/h. But while the carrier sail at 50KM/h, and the fuel tank at about 25% and plenty weapons loaded, that usually after Air combat mission. The total overall weight was greatly reduced and possible to land at higher speed? without any problem? LJQCN101 from JAPAN? TAIWAN? South Korea? CHINA? where do you from? Edited October 25, 2014 by JOKERACTS
RagnarDa Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 Any potential dangers in a faster-than-normal carrier landing? I think this might be the danger: Wow that was really quick thinking by the pilot. I wonder if they train for such events? I don't understand what the next jet is doing though, was he supposed to land so shortly after the first one? Really looking forward to a Su-33 with PFM... DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is.
GGTharos Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I was searching the forum for Su-33 carrier landing techniques along with some Youtube videos on this subject, that I noticed some people tend to land the aircraft with a higher landing speed than what is suggested by the HUD, usually with a flashing yellow light in the AoA indicator. I even succeeded in carrier landings with a speed as fast as 400 km/h. So, I wonder IRL, is there any potential danger or hazard in landing the aircraft faster than normal? (i.e. the optimal speed is 250 km/h in certain conditions but you're landing with a speed of 300.) You'll snap the cable. It isn't modeled in game. The arresting mechanism can only stop a certain amount of energy. The system is calibrated to stop an aircraft of a certain weight or less landing at a particular speed. The energy formula is half mass times speed squared. So if you increase the speed you increase the energy by a significant amount. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
tusler Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I was searching the forum for Su-33 carrier landing techniques along with some Youtube videos on this subject, that I noticed some people tend to land the aircraft with a higher landing speed than what is suggested by the HUD, usually with a flashing yellow light in the AoA indicator. I even succeeded in carrier landings with a speed as fast as 400 km/h. So, I wonder IRL, is there any potential danger or hazard in landing the aircraft faster than normal? (i.e. the optimal speed is 250 km/h in certain conditions but you're landing with a speed of 300.) I can tell you in real life when i was a Fly 3 PO working the Flight Deck of CV67 We had a heavy hit the 3 wire and break it loose from the port side turnbuckle...it injured and killed a few people real quick. The cables are set for a specific weight IRL and if you hit them out of spec with a known mass moving much faster than planned it will be disaster in the end.:cry: Ask Jesus for Forgiveness before you takeoff :pilotfly:! PC=Win 10 HP 64 bit, Gigabyte Z390, Intel I5-9600k, 32 gig ram, Nvidia 2060 Super 8gig video. TM HOTAS WARTHOG with Saitek Pedals
LJQCN101 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) about the landing speed, I think the optimal 250KM/h is for full loaded Su-33, full 8500KG fuel and full weapon load in all pylons. AND probably for static landing speed where the carrier stopped with 0KM/h speed.? LJQCN101 from JAPAN? TAIWAN? South Korea? CHINA? where do you from? Thanks for the data. I can recall that last time when I was in a 31-ton-Su33 on final, the indicated optimal speed on HUD is 300KM/H. Check needed. BTW I'm from China. :D 31-ton-Su33 Carrier Landing Video Link: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODA1NTY1Njg4.html (Filmed in LOFC2. Didn't own DCS:FC3) Edited October 30, 2014 by LJQCN101 EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations.
LJQCN101 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Posted October 30, 2014 I can tell you in real life when i was a Fly 3 PO working the Flight Deck of CV67 We had a heavy hit the 3 wire and break it loose from the port side turnbuckle...it injured and killed a few people real quick. The cables are set for a specific weight IRL and if you hit them out of spec with a known mass moving much faster than planned it will be disaster in the end.:cry: I'm so sorry sir, best regards to those people. :cry: EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations.
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