Menessis Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Does it work or not? Can't seem to get it working in my mission. Tried it from the A-10 Tried it from troops Tried it from Perdator Was told to try from a vehicle?? Menessis
Menessis Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks Blooze. I guess that's the end of that. Menessis
VTJS17_Fire Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 The last time I tried it, it worked. I marked a target as JTAC (CA) with the laser, and my buddy dropped a GBU-12 from his A-10C. I think, it was in 1.2.7 or 1.2.8, IIRC. Kind regards, Fire Hardware: Intel i5 4670K | Zalman NPS9900MAX | GeIL 16GB @1333MHz | Asrock Z97 Pro4 | Sapphire Radeon R9 380X Nitro | Samsung SSDs 840 series 120GB & 250 GB | Samsung HD204UI 2TB | be quiet! Pure Power 530W | Aerocool RS-9 Devil Red | Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" + ASUS VE198S 19" | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 | Thrustmaster MFD Cougar | Speedlink Darksky LED | Razor Diamondback | Razor X-Mat Control | SoundBlaster Tactic 3D Rage ### Software: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Blooze Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Yes, a human A-10C pilot can lase a target for other pilots and a human can lase a target for an A-10C using a Command Arms vehicle but it will not work when trying to get an AI JTAC to do it. Maybe I misunderstood the OP question. Edited January 27, 2015 by Blooze [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Zayets Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Why would this functionality be needed as described for the AI? One can simulate this by simply placing a vehicle and put any aircraft (not only A-10) with a waypoint task to precision bomb. [sIGPIC]OK[/sIGPIC]
Grimes Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Why would this functionality be needed as described for the AI? One can simulate this by simply placing a vehicle and put any aircraft (not only A-10) with a waypoint task to precision bomb. I think he means getting an AI JTAC to lase for a player in the A-10C. It seems there is a difference now between IR pointer and lasing. I remember in the past a JTAC would have their pointer on when they lazed but this seems to have changed. I need to investigate it further. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
Menessis Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Ya we are flying a mission where the enemy convoy is driving through a city. Very difficult to pick them out. I was hoping that a JTAC could target at least one for us then we could go from there. I did have an AI Huey fly the JTAC team in. But we could put a human pilot in, RTB and then jump into the JTAC vehicle? Would that work? Menessis. Edited January 27, 2015 by Menessis
Zayets Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Do you really have to lase it with precision? If so then you would need a human player in the JTAC vehicle. Why I am asking is because if you hit (not necessary destroy one vehicle in the column they will usually disperse and you can pick them one by one) [sIGPIC]OK[/sIGPIC]
johnv2pt0 Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 So is it confirmed that getting an AI jtac/afac to use an IR Pointer as the type of designation is broken? I can't get it to work. If so, has this been reported to ED?
Sabre-TLA Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 AI JTAC works for both LASER and IR Pointer (see attached missions and trk files). I've learned some interesting things when getting the AI JTACs to work for our A-10C Tactical Training Qualification Campaign. For both LASER and IR the JTAC needs Line of Sight (LOS). When you setup the JTAC if you see an orange colored warning saying no LOS then that means it can't see the target. To get around this I always start with the JTAC very close to the target as per the sample missions, then experiment how far away I can move the JTAC before the process fails. There are also issues with getting JTACs to reply properly via the radio calls but I've found using 30.0 FM to work consistently. Feel free to play with these sample missions to learn what you can do with the JTACs. It's not an ideal model but it can work given the correct conditions.JTAC Sample.mizJTAC Sample.trkJTAC Sample2.mizJTAC Sample2.trk MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Blooze Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Just where would one see this orange colored warning you mentioned? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Druid_ Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Where you add PERFORM TASK -> FAC - ASSIGN GROUP in the designation box where you assign laser it should not be orange. For instance if the range to the target is > 5nm then it will say DESIGNATION Laser (problem: D > 5nm) or if it does not have Line Of Sight it will say DESIGNATION Laser (problem: No LOS) There is a limitation with this and that it that LOS is only calculated for terrain and not for any buildings that may be in the way. There is definitely an art to placing JTACS in a good position on the map. I usually assign them to an armed Humvee with HOLD FIRE and INVISIBLE to simulate infantry special forces JTACS. i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
Sabre-TLA Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 What Druid said :) To see this in action open the JTAC Sample3.miz (attached). Select the JTAC Unit and Advanced Waypoint Actions. You can move the JTAC around until the orange warning clears then it should be operational. At least that's been my experience. It's not perfect and it does take some playing around but you can make it work.JTAC Sample3.miz MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Blooze Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Where you add PERFORM TASK -> FAC - ASSIGN GROUP in the designation box where you assign laser it should not be orange. For instance if the range to the target is > 5nm then it will say DESIGNATION Laser (problem: D > 5nm) or if it does not have Line Of Sight it will say DESIGNATION Laser (problem: No LOS) There is a limitation with this and that it that LOS is only calculated for terrain and not for any buildings that may be in the way. There is definitely an art to placing JTACS in a good position on the map. I usually assign them to an armed Humvee with HOLD FIRE and INVISIBLE to simulate infantry special forces JTACS. Yes, I see that now when I move the vehicle out of range and it's good to know that bulidings may obstruct view without any warning. Thanks for the info Druid. I sure would like to get this working. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
johnv2pt0 Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Does this work for AFAC as well? I can't get my predator to laze or sparkle. He is within range to do both for his entire orbit.
Druid_ Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Predators in DCS don't have the ability to lase or sparkle as far as I know. Probably because only the later versions of the Predator have the ability to lase iirc. i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
johnv2pt0 Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Predators in DCS don't have the ability to lase or sparkle as far as I know. Probably because only the later versions of the Predator have the ability to lase iirc. Ah ok, thanks Druid. I guess I can now use my free time to fix the head-shaped hole in my wall. They should take those options away from it in ME. My sanity would definitely appreciate it :)
Blooze Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Let me be very specific with the following, If 2 A10s are flying together one can lase a target that they have locked on their TGP and the other can activate Laser search mode and acquire a lock on the same target. Sabre have you been successful in accomplishing the same thing with an AI JTAC vehicle? Can you lock on to a lased target in your TGP using the laser search only? Edited March 19, 2015 by Blooze [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Grimes Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Yes. If an AI JTAC is lasing you can acquire it via LSS. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
Sabre-TLA Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Let me be very specific with the following, If 2 A10s are flying together one can lase a target that they have locked on their TGP and the other can activate Laser search mode and acquire a lock on the same target. Sabre have you been successful in accomplishing the same thing with an AI JTAC vehicle? Can you lock on to a lased target in your TGP using the laser search only? Yes it works! Check the JTAC Sample.trk file. The JTAC lases the target and I use the TGP to search and detect the laser spot. I also use the GBU-12 to guide on the JTAC's laser and hit the target though don't critique my attack run as I didn't even release within proper parameters. :doh: MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Blooze Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) I have tried with my mission and yours, I activate laser search, JTAC says laser on but no joy. I am missing something but I haven't been able to figure out what. What pages in the manual should I read to learn the step by step process? Edited March 19, 2015 by Blooze [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Sabre-TLA Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Is your TGP looking in the area of the target? The TGP has to be looking in the area to detect the laser. Hit the LSS button as Grimes indicated and it should detect the laser designation. Try Pages 329-330 in the DCS A-10C Manual. Edited March 19, 2015 by Sabre-TLA MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates
Blooze Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 Is your TGP looking in the area of the target? The TGP has to be looking in the area to detect the laser. Hit the LSS button as Grimes indicated and it should detect the laser designation. Try Pages 329-330 in the DCS A-10C Manual. headed straight for the target every time with LSS button pressed and scanning. I'll get it sorted out eventually.:book: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Wrecking Crew Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 You also need to be on the general heading of the laser, too. WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
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