DCS: F-14A/A+/B by Heatblur Simulations coming to DCS World!

[shagrat]

No contradiction here. A good story telling movie, just isn't the same as a historical documentation. It can't be true to real life most of the time, as it needs to follow a good storyline.

So people that expect a blockbuster or similar movie to be historically accurate, need to accept it is rarely possible for the director to do so, even if he wants to...

[captain_dalan]

Not just the F-14, or Top Gun and Iron Eagles. The first time someone "dared" to show a dogfight on visual media was in "Dogfights" and that was a documentary :book:

 

EDIT:

No contradiction here. A good story telling movie, just isn't the same as a historical documentation. It can't be true to real life most of the time, as it needs to follow a good storyline.

So people that expect a blockbuster or similar movie to be historically accurate, need to accept it is rarely possible for the director to do so, even if he wants to...

 

I think it's mostly the producers expecting that the "real thing" won't be nearly as interesting as the "creatively liberated" stuff....

Edited March 11, 2015 by captain_dalan

[outlawal2]

Oh nonsense. Top Gun wasn't awful because of historical inaccuracy. It was awful because it was awful. Purely as a story telling exercise it was trite and cliche and over the top and thats without considering the glaring inaccurate portrayal of air combat, which really isn't what makes a movie bad necessarily.

 

Apocalypse Now is far from a historical re-enactment of the Vietnam War in any accurate sense but its still a far better movie than Top freakin' Gun. :lol:

 

Now, know what was a fun movie thats not nearly as cringe worthy (by comparison)? Days of Thunder. Just gimme 5th gear! :megalol:

 

APOCALYPSE NOW? Give me a friggin break.. Dumbest concept for a war movie. EVER.. The main actor was so horribly overweight they had to film the entire thing in the dark just to hide his Jabba like body..

 

That was a friggin HORRIBLE movie..

:doh:

[Kaktus29]

top gun movie was done badly, not as historic accurate but just from technical point of view to storyline..

 

they could make same story,but with f14 firing phoeninx on those "mig-28" aka Russian F5, and show how F5 do defensive maneuvers violently and aggressively and phoenix miss, one after another, range is closing 45 miles, 36 miles etc.. and so on and so on.. make it credible at least somewhat..

 

in movie it looks like we're basically dealing with WW2 era aircrafts who spot the enemy 2 miles from the nose and have many opportunities to gun their enemy down with guns..

 

about TOP GUN 2.. yikes, pls don't do it hollywood.. i can't imagine a plot where this could work, i mean US air force armed with F22, JSF(that works probably in the movie at least) versus what?.. Iranian F14?, .. North Korean Mig-21?.. and Tom Cruise would be fighting and sweating? lol.. it doesn't work period. because whole strength ratio of US versus "enemy" has changed drastically in the past 30 yrs from the first movie where USSR was at least on paper a formidable opponent.

 

Unless a movie is done who Tom Cruise gets asked by US Navy to come back cuz of shortage of pilots due to Chinese air superiority (for some reason) and then obviously he sits in JSF and boom, happy end. the end.)lol

[captain_dalan]

top gun movie was done badly, not as historic accurate but just from technical point of view to storyline..

 

they could make same story,but with f14 firing phoeninx on those "mig-28" aka Russian F5, and show how F5 do defensive maneuvers violently and aggressively and phoenix miss, one after another, range is closing 45 miles, 36 miles etc.. and so on and so on.. make it credible at least somewhat..

 

 

In that aspect at least, Top Gun was fairly accurate. At the time, visual confirmation of both aircraft and hostile intent was required. This was a Cold War after all. And Tomcats of that period did carry loads that would be in the likes of 2 Sp 2 Sw, 4 Sw, 4 Sp 2 Sw, 4 Sp 4 Sw and similar, when not flying explicit fleet defense/intercept missions.

[Hadwell]

I think movies like top gun and the final count down were more to promote the navy and the f-14, just propaganda... top gun is still a decent movie... days of thunder and top gun, another series like them is disney cars and planes, basically the same movie...

[inSky_1911CFZS]

Don't you hate when people just skip over your post:music_whistling:

 

lol，what do you mean？

[AdrianJ]

Regarding the U-571, while a truly dreadful movie IMHO, perhaps I got you wrong regarding which part exactly relates to the British Navy, but I'd expect it was inspired by the capturing of U-505 by the U.S. Navy?

 

I think this is the whole point about history, taking small snippits of it don't portray the whole story. You are of course correct the U.S. Navy did capture U-505, the first time since 1812 that they had captured a vessel at sea. This happened in June 1944 after the Allies were already routinely decoding German naval Enigma traffic. The film relates to the first capture of the enigma at sea, this was done by the Royal Navy in May 1941. Even the director was quoted in BBC Radio 4 programme "It was a distortion...a mercenary decision...to create this parallel history in order to drive the film for an American audience. Both my grandparents [sic] were officers in the Second World War, and I would be personally offended if somebody distorted their achievements." :huh:

[Spook]

You do realize that Eagle Dynamics is not making the F-14.

 

No, you're right, no Designs Eagle Dynamics F-14 Tomcat, but owns all rights Flight Simulator DCS World, which will be hosted DCS module F-14 later; Eagle Dynamics is responsible for selling and distributing its simulator with Leatherneck Simulations and The Fighter Collection, if you know how it works ED tu me what you understand me.

 

As I said, it's a good chance of working group Eagle Dynamics and third party, to join this product and go to Hollywood to find a good marketing strategy, building on the 30th anniversary of the movie Top Gun with the F-14 Tomcat. It's just an idea ...

[Dudikoff]

The film relates to the first capture of the enigma at sea, this was done by the Royal Navy in May 1941. Even the director was quoted in BBC Radio 4 programme "It was a distortion...a mercenary decision...to create this parallel history in order to drive the film for an American audience. Both my grandparents [sic] were officers in the Second World War, and I would be personally offended if somebody distorted their achievements." :huh:

 

You're right, but you can also look at it as if it was inspired by the U-505 event and then modified to be much more important than it was too give the movie some weight for the domestic audience ;) They did deliver the U-505 Enigma to the British after all. But, we wasted too many words over a stupid Blockbuster movie already.

[AdrianJ]

You're right, but you can also look at it as if it was inspired by the U-505 event and then modified to be much more important than it was too give the movie some weight for the domestic audience ;) They did deliver the U-505 Enigma to the British after all. But, we wasted too many words over a stupid Blockbuster movie already.

 

Yeah I guess your right :thumbup:

[PFunk1606688187]

Are those two movies really any different? The same basic plot in both, same production, director, main actor etc. just placed in a different setting. For my money's worth, I'd definitely prefer the Top Gun since I'm not a NASCAR fan.

I'm not a Nascar fan either. Fans are idiots, they like stuff because of a brand, not because its good.

 

Days of Thunder is better than Top Gun because its just a better movie. The character motivations are cleaner, the full circle of Tom Cruise driving his former rival's car is more poignant, the scene where they rent two cars and do a demolition derby is far more fun than any of the fake dogfights.

 

Also, Michael Ironside 100% diminishes the final vote for any film he is in, barring Total Recall. That is what I call the Michael Ironside rule. Command & Conquer is the only other exception.

 

APOCALYPSE NOW? Give me a friggin break.. Dumbest concept for a war movie. EVER.. The main actor was so horribly overweight they had to film the entire thing in the dark just to hide his Jabba like body..

 

That was a friggin HORRIBLE movie..

:doh:

Its not a war movie silly, its an exploration of the darkness in man, which is tangentially related to war. Who cares if Marlon Brando was fat, he gave a chilling performance. Anyway, I usually tune out people who say Apocalypse Now is a horrible movie because thats just... inconceivable.

 

The smell of Napalm in the Morning beats out Talk to me Goose as epic film lines anyway. And for such a dumb war flick the helicopter attack scene is way more interesting than watching people struggle for a missile lock at WW1 engagement ranges. :megalol:

[cichlidfan]

The smell of Napalm in the Morning beats out Talk to me Goose as epic film lines anyway.

 

Excellent summation, sir!! :thumbup:

 

...and funny as hell! :lol:

[Yurgon]

Also, Michael Ironside 100% diminishes the final vote for any film he is in, barring Total Recall. That is what I call the Michael Ironside rule. Command & Conquer is the only other exception.

 

The obvious gap in education should be remedied ASAP by watching Starship Troopers. :smartass:

 

The smell of Napalm in the Morning beats out Talk to me Goose as epic film lines anyway.

 

That I agree with wholeheartedly. :thumbup:

[PFunk1606688187]

Eh, I'm not a Starship Troopers fan personally. Its because I stupidly read the book before seeing the movie. Big mistake. I love Robocop, but I just don't like Verhoeven's take on the story.

 

Stilll... yea maybe I'll bend the rule for that one too. He's definitely not as bad as Casper Van Dien.

[Dudikoff]

Eh, I'm not a Starship Troopers fan personally. Its because I stupidly read the book before seeing the movie. Big mistake. I love Robocop, but I just don't like Verhoeven's take on the story.

 

Didn't read the book so I loved the movie for what it was, although I can see how such a parody vehicle of a serious book can ruin your enjoyment. Though, it's funny how Verhoeven peaked with the movie he supposedly almost refused to make.. It hasn't really aged much, if at all (I even feel it's messages are stronger today then in the 80's). Don't plan on watching this silly remake, though.

 

What was the thread about, anyway? :)

[PFunk1606688187]

What was the thread about, anyway? :)

 

Its about watching the joy of a community united by a single announcement. The wandering subject matter of this thread is like the murmured conversations you can pick up at a great party.

[Scooternutz]

One needs to watch the extended DVD release and understand why the awesome movie Top Gun was filmed in the manner it was. After I watch the 10 plus hours of the Top Gun Movie Documentary I fully understand how and why the movie was made. I watched it just two days ago and enjoyed every minute. And remember, "SHE IS A CIVILIAN SO YOU DO NOT SALUTE HER!"

[Scooternutz]

The heat blur was assisted by a fuel dump for that shot. The fuel dump nozzle sits almost in the middle of the turkey feathers.

[Scooternutz]

As horrific as the acting was in Flight of the Intruder, the flight shots were pretty good except for the awful pasted in shots.

[Tirak]

Les Chevaliers du Ciel has some damn beautiful aerial cinematography, I may not be a huge Mirage fan but the flight shots in that movie are gorgeous.

[Dudikoff]

Anyone that does not acknowledge Top Gun as the greatest jet combat film of all time needs to offer alternatives. Only 'The Final Countdown' came close to the quality cinematography of real jet fighters. Realistic air combat would obviously look boring and confusing to most people, the stuff in Top Gun is easy to follow and looks incredible. The shots of massive heat blur pouring out of both engines as that Tomcat screams along the valley is ingrained in my mind forever.

Top Gun rules and no film remembers the F-14 era with such fun.

 

It's a beautifully and very competently shot ode to the Navy pilots and the plane and is now somewhat of a nostalgic trip to the past era when the outlooks were different and political correctness didn't jump at you from every corner. I think it really deserves credit for becoming such an iconic mainstream movie considering it has basically a scrapped together story featuring fighter pilots and combat airplanes as the main characters.

 

It might seem corny today and it's popular to make fun off of it it seems, but I find it corny just enough (especially compared to later Bruckheimer produced movies like e.g. Con Air, Armageddon, The Rock, Pearl Harbor which are unwatchable, IMHO; Crimson Tide and Black Hawk Down notwithstanding). It just works IMHO. I certainly don't feel guilty appreciating it for what it is. But then again, I also think Navy Seals (another popular pick on movie since The Clerks) was a well made action movie (and I don't consider myself a military buff type) so what the hell do I know..

Edited March 12, 2015 by Dudikoff

[sissypilot]

The devils advocate speking here :)

Why should I buy a module from a firm who never ever finished a DCS module yet? The Mig-21 is the most simple supersonic jet ever built with the most primitive (easy to modell) avionics and systems and months after its release I am still beta testing it, expereiencing buggy systems, avionics, weapons. Violent changes in flight modelling ansoon. The tomcat is a trizillion times more complex bird.

Just my 2c

[NineLine]

Why should I buy a module...

 

That's something you have to figure out yourself based on your own thoughts and impressions of their current work. I have no issue personally, but then I am not you, and you are not me.

[Cobra847]

The devils advocate speking here :)

Why should I buy a module from a firm who never ever finished a DCS module yet? The Mig-21 is the most simple supersonic jet ever built with the most primitive (easy to modell) avionics and systems and months after its release I am still beta testing it, expereiencing buggy systems, avionics, weapons. Violent changes in flight modelling ansoon. The tomcat is a trizillion times more complex bird.

Just my 2c

 

Hard to find the appropriate words.