Ala13_ManOWar Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 The Russians copied alot of things, not just the B-29. You can start with the sidewinder. Or the suspension on the T-34.Yeah, but don't confuse use a same technology to literally "copy". Russia paid their licences to build things, that isn't "copy" anything is just what everybody does around the world. USA also "copied" things from Russia and anybody say "the USA copy". S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAGERT Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Russia paid their licences to build things, that isn't "copy" anything is just what everybody does around the world. Agreed When a person, company, country, etc pays the licensing fee, patent royalties, etc to make 'it' That does not equate to 'copying it' IMHO.. Which was not the case with the B-29.. The Russian's did not pay any licensing fee, patent royalties, etc to make 'it' That does equate to 'copying it'.. Also known as 'stealing it' IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Which was not the case with the B-29.. The Russian's did not pay any licensing fee, patent royalties, etc to make 'it' That does equate to 'copying it'.. Also known as 'stealing it' IMHOAnd that's why I said, AFAIK, Tu-4 was the only clear and shameless case where USSR literally copied a thing almost identical to original because USA didn't wanted to sell them a build licence :smilewink:. About that being 'stealing' or not, copyright ethics and so, I think this is not the place to discuss. But some countries doesn't have those copyright laws, they 'copy' things all the time since ever, and nobody cares or blame them :thumbup:. So it's always funny to see how 25 years after USSR fall people still say the old motto "Russian copies" while actually they paid their licenses for everything. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAGERT Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 And that's why I said, AFAIK, Tu-4 was the only clear and shameless case where USSR literally copied a thing As others noted, it was not the only shameless case almost identical to original Only parts the changed were the parts they were not capable of making, for example, the skin itself was something they were not capable of reproducing, which resulted in them using a thicker skin, which added more weight because USA didn't wanted to sell them a build licence :smilewink:. Im sure there was more to it than that About that being 'stealing' or not, copyright ethics and so, I think this is not the place to discuss. Agreed, and really no need to discuss it any further, in that it is what it is. Discussing it further will not change the facts of it. But some countries doesn't have those copyright laws, they 'copy' things all the time since ever, and nobody cares or blame them :thumbup:. True, but, one would not expect this from an allied country.. One that you just spend years 'giving' them the means via the lend lease program to stay alive So it's always funny to see how 25 years after USSR fall people still say the old motto "Russian copies" while actually they paid their licenses for everything. As noted above, not 'everything' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctguy1955 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 So many awesome planes and Jets !!! F4U gets my vote !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 As others noted, it was not the only shameless case Only parts the changed were the parts they were not capable of making, for example, the skin itself was something they were not capable of reproducing, which resulted in them using a thicker skin, which added more weight Im sure there was more to it than that Agreed, and really no need to discuss it any further, in that it is what it is. Discussing it further will not change the facts of it. True, but, one would not expect this from an allied country.. One that you just spend years 'giving' them the means via the lend lease program to stay alive As noted above, not 'everything'Ok, Ok, I'll not discuss anything more. But yours is the exact 'point' I was commenting about, and that's simply not so true :thumbup:. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAGERT Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Ok, Ok, I'll not discuss anything more. But yours is the exact 'point' I was commenting about, and that's simply not so true :thumbup:. S! Well I made several points, so, not sure which one you were referring too.. But, we are way OT here and it really does not mater if we agree on every aspect.. So, lets just leave it at that and agree to disagree on what ever point I made that you don't agree with! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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