Chuck's MiG-21bis Guide

[Charly_Owl]

Charly_Owl, someone said there is an F15 guide out there that you had made?

 

Incorrect, I have not begun writing for the F-15 nor the Su-27... Being FC3 modules, they are quite simple to operate anyway...

[AmimalMother]

Thanks Charly_Owl! This is proving to be indispensable!

[GregP]

Absolutely fantastic job! i just finally had time to look through the guide and am very impressed. Thanks for all the time you put into this -- it shows!

[Hadwell]

One error... The r-55 is ir, the rs2-us is sarh, calling the r55 sarh is the same as calling the r3s sarh, since all cold war Russian missile philosophy was to make ir/sarh variations of all the missile types they could... The r55 specifically is the ir varient, the rs2us is the sarh varient of the same missile.

[Aerovenator]

Hi Chuck, I wonder if its possible to link my MiG-21 Cockpit layout chart at the end of your guide. I always found those Charts helpful to get familiar with the cockpit. So made one for the MiG

 

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/1026153/

[Robo.]

Excellent guide, Chuck!

[Charly_Owl]

Hi Chuck, I wonder if its possible to link my MiG-21 Cockpit layout chart at the end of your guide. I always found those Charts helpful to get familiar with the cockpit. So made one for the MiG

 

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/1026153/

 

Done! Thanks for your contribution, mate.

 

One error... The r-55 is ir, the rs2-us is sarh, calling the r55 sarh is the same as calling the r3s sarh, since all cold war Russian missile philosophy was to make ir/sarh variations of all the missile types they could... The r55 specifically is the ir varient, the rs2us is the sarh varient of the same missile.

 

Fixed. I am no russian weapons expert, so I am glad someone can help me rectify the information I found.

 

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@Everyone else

 

Ok, now that the Sabre, MiG-15, P-51, FW190, Bf.109, MiG-21 and the UH-1H are done... which aircraft/rotorcraft do you want next?

 

I am hesitating between the Mi-8 and the A-10C. Both are very complex machines and will be quite a challenge to do, so I'm curious to have your opinion.

[Aerovenator]

 

I am hesitating between the Mi-8 and the A-10C. Both are very complex machines and will be quite a challenge to do, so I'm curious to have your opinion.

 

First the Mi-8, then the A-10C

[Hadwell]

Done! Thanks for your contribution, mate.

 

 

 

Fixed. I am no russian weapons expert, so I am glad someone can help me rectify the information I found.

 

if you want even more info about the RS-2 missile... it was developed for the RP-21 radar, and wasn't exactly sarh, it used a command based system, and was incompatible with the RP-22 radar our bis has, the same thing with the grom missile...

Edited May 28, 2015 by Hadwell

[Art-J]

A few minor-to-medium errors spotted by me:

 

1) page 22 - inner and outer pylons numbered the same;

2) page 24 - canopy levers mixed up;

3) page 47 - horizontal "5" and "10" markers on radar screen do not indicate angle, but distance in km (yes, they're a bit off-scale compared to vertical ones);

4) page 59, point 4) - "gun" mode of upper switch position is up, not down;

5) pages 69 and 80 - "directional" and "automatic" buttons mixed up.

 

A sidetone. While we're at it, even If You can't read cyrillic, I encourage You to fire up relevant wiki article and try to transliterate the stencils Yourself every now and then, because some of Russian technical aviation terms evolved from English actually. Let's take SAU control panel from page 69 for example. The writings below buttons, left to right, transliterate to: "direkt.", "avtom." and "stabil." respectively. Even for English speaker, that does sound familiar aint' it?

 

6) from page 77 onwards, PRMG is constantly called either "PRMG" or "PMRG", but If You're really dyslexic, I guess we can live with that :D.

Edited May 29, 2015 by Art-J

[Charly_Owl]

A few minor-to-medium errors spotted by me:

 

1) page 22 - inner and outer pylons numbered the same;

2) page 24 - canopy levers mixed up;

3) page 47 - horizontal "5" and "10" markers on radar screen do not indicate angle, but distance in km (yes, they're a bit off-scale compared to vertical ones);

4) page 59, point 4) - "gun" mode of upper switch position is up, not down;

5) pages 69 and 80 - "directional" and "automatic" buttons mixed up.

 

A sidetone. While we're at it, even If You can't read cyrillic, I encourage You to fire up relevant wiki article and try to transliterate the stencils Yourself every now and then, because some of Russian technical aviation terms evolved from English actually. Let's take SAU control panel from page 69 for example. The writings below buttons, left to right, transliterate to: "direkt.", "avtom." and "stabil." respectively. Even for English speaker, that does sound familiar aint' it?

 

6) from page 77 onwards, PRMG is constantly called either "PRMG" or "PMRG", but If You're really dyslexic, I guess we can live with that :D.

 

Wow I must have been sleeping when I wrote those. As for me being dyslexic, you actually guessed right. It's one of the difficulties I have when writing this sort of stuff. As for not being able to read cyrillic... well I learned french, english, spanish and german... but russian I never had the chance to learn. Sorry about that.

 

I agree with pretty much every point except point 3) on the radar. The horizontal scale actually shows angles, not distance.

 

http://www.topedge.com/panels/aircraft/sites/kraft/radar.htm

 

I thought like you at the beginning until I found this website.

[LcSummers]

Hi Chuck,

 

seen it right now. Greatguide.

 

Thank you very much!!:thumbup:

 

I have a lot to read:megalol:

 

S!

[Art-J]

Wow I must have been sleeping when I wrote those. As for me being dyslexic, you actually guessed right. It's one of the difficulties I have when writing this sort of stuff. As for not being able to read cyrillic... well I learned french, english, spanish and german... but russian I never had the chance to learn. Sorry about that.

 

I agree with pretty much every point except point 3) on the radar. The horizontal scale actually shows angles, not distance.

 

http://www.topedge.com/panels/aircraft/sites/kraft/radar.htm

 

I thought like you at the beginning until I found this website.

 

Absolutely no need to be sorry about anything, I don't quite speak Russian either. Started learning it a bit, out of DCS-fueled curiosity :D (I admit, however, that similarities with my own language make this task somewhat easier). I based my note on assumption You were a guy eager to learn things, which seems to be very correct.

 

Re. the radar - I based my comment on a "MiG21BIS radar RP-22SM basic description" doc posted by Beczl somewhere here ages ago, back when he was in charge of the project. He might, or might not be correct, though, so we're going to need at least a third source to draw final conclusions ;).

[hreich]

Absolutely love your guide...i just tried nuclear bomb delivery, and managed to get it launched with over the shoulder method...and while wtaching outside camera, just as bomb impacted...guess what...y pc crashed !!!!

[Hadwell]

The radar shows both angles, and range, on both scales...

 

when you don't have something locked, it's range on the vertical scale and angle on the horizontal scale.

 

when you do have something locked, the horizontal scale is range and angle, and the vertical scale is angle.

 

there are two vertical lines that move horizontally inwards towards the center when you have something locked.

 

when your target is directly forwards of you, and those two vertical lines are on the 5, the target is 5km from you....

 

if the target is on the 5 on the horizontal scale, and the two vertical lines are at 0 and 10, the target is 5km from you, and 5 degrees to one side...

 

as for the vertical scale... it's super simple...

 

when something isn't locked, its range, e.g. if the target is half way between the 10 and the 0, it's 5km away.

 

when something is locked, it's angle, e.g. if the target is above the + it's above you.

Edited May 30, 2015 by Hadwell

[Aviators]

thansk! great wrok ;)

[Art-J]

when you don't have something locked, it's range on the vertical scale and angle on the horizontal scale.

 

I don't buy this part. What's the point of building a radar with 60 deg scanning range in azimuth, if only a third part of it can be displayed on pilot's screen?

 

I've just made a test in "target practice mission", turning to the right of the first target until it showed up on "10" mark on horizontal scale in scanning mode. Then on F10 map I've checked our relative bearings and distances. It turns out, the target plane was 16 degrees to my left. With a distance of 10 km from my plane, the horizontal distance from my centerline would be 2.8 km then. That would indicate the horizontal scale provides neither distance nor angle in radar scanning mode.

 

Edit: Checked the lock mode by putting a locked "birdie" on "10" mark and repeating procedure. 22 degrees to my left (?!). Don't know what to think about it :D.

Edited May 30, 2015 by Art-J

[ddhenda]

nice work. what we can expect next?

[Charly_Owl]

nice work. what we can expect next?

 

Well... that's up to you :D

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=143699

Edited May 30, 2015 by Charly_Owl

[coldViPer]

Well... that's up to you :D

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=143699

 

Mi-8 ! ;)

[Snacko]

In Startup Procedures, Step #10, you list "GYRO switch for instrument sets # 1 & # 2 and AC Generator ON (FWD)." But in the image for Step #10 I only see yellow arrows for the 2 GYROs? Not for AC Generator.

 

Were you referring to the AC Gen - Gnd Power, which you added to Step # 2?

[Charly_Owl]

Good catch, Snacko. Yes, I was referring to that particular step. Fixed.

 

That's what happens when you try to concatenate two checklists together... ;)

[DieHard]

(re: Message #1)

 

I recently purchased Mig-21 on half-price sale. Your guide is going to save me a lot of time concerning setup and the learning curve.

 

I use CH Products controllers and have 54 programmable G-keys of my Logitech G510 keyboard.

 

Thanks.

[Britchot]

I'm just going to chime in with another thank you, Chuck! Simply an amazing piece of work, broken down so anyone can understand it. I love the added humor, too.

[MemphisBelle]

Tutorial has been added to the ED wiki Mig-21 Tutorial collection...first entry by the way ;)

great work though