AlexandrT Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) I decided to share with community the version of the solution of traveling management on the Mi-8MTV. My pedals-. On the Mi-8MTV there is a trimming of pedals. But main problem is that after trimming IRL pedals "remember" their last position which is usually not the central one. It can be full right or left rudder. Our gaming pedals always stay in central position. Simmers feet are also always centered despite position of virtual pedals after trimming. To attain equal pedals' position IRL and in simulator I simply dismounted my pedals and took out centering spring. Than turned off pedal trim in simulator settings. The result was perfect. My feet and virtual pedals are now synchronised. Now You can feel right limit and right pedal position on overloaded helicopter and left rudder during quick descend having collective full down. What about trimmer effect for pedals which I turned off? IRL trimmer click and pedals stays in current position. Pilot don't feel any additional effects but only elimination of need to push pedals. So now I have just same thing - gaming pedals stay in last position because there is no spring for them to be turned to "zero point". Just added some friction to load simulating mechanism and that's it. I choose that method of controlling the helicopter as a most realistic one compared to RL. Directional stability greatly improved without any unwanted disturbances. I have almost 4'000 RL flight hours for Mi-8, so I know what I'm talking about. I'll be glad if my experience will help anybody to improve his simming experience with Mi-8! Translated by - Laivynas Moderator/ED Testers Team Edited June 9, 2015 by AlexandrT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Wow, a true Soviet Mil Pilot Honestly dude, I'm impressed... two things I would like in my life is : Be a Huey pilot Be a Mil heli pilot Your Red Crossed aircrafts have so much appeal, both fighters and helis, they truly deserve much respect. Happy flying comrade [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPL(A)IR ME/SEP/MEP/SET - CPL(H) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Thank You Alexandr for Your input. I don't quite understand all aspects of it, though. Your description applies only to the flight without heading channel of the autopilot, right? When heading channel is on, the only way of synchronizing virtual and real pedals would be developing some FFB mechanism, which would move them according to autopilot command, am I correct? What does "rudder trim" option is special tab of Mi-8 module do? Does it "lock" the virtual pedals in off-center position when trim button is pressed, as You describe? I always had this option off and never gave a second thought about it. What does "central position trimmer mode" option do?. It doesn't seem to be explained neither in quick start nor in full English draft manual. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team PilotMi8 Posted June 8, 2015 ED Team Share Posted June 8, 2015 __ Your description applies only to the flight without heading channel of the autopilot, right? correct __When heading channel is on, the only way of synchronizing virtual and real pedals would be developing some FFB mechanism, which would move them according to autopilot command, am I correct? certainly __What does "rudder trim" option is special tab of Mi-8 module do? .. __What does "central position trimmer mode" option do?. .. yet we weigh the options final implementation of these functions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaelu Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I'm sure the internet would be full of modded FFB Pedals if DCS would support FFB on rudder axis. I think is the easiest to do since it only needs one axis and very simple to mod one. One big wheel actuated by a small engine with smaller wheel to increase torque and a piston for dampening. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penshoon Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) I'm necroing this thread as I have some questions on the rudder trim and heading autopilot channel. Just like AlexandrT I use a set of rudder pedals with no spring force (MFG Crosswind with removed spring + G940 FFB for cyclic + Warthog throttle for collective). As I understand, the heading autopilot channel will only be programmed & engaged when the pilot remove his feet from the pedals to disengage the small switches on the pedals. So say a real pilot take off with Mi-8 with heading autopilot system on but disconnected due to pedal pressure. After taking off the pilot pushes the stick trim button so forces on both cyclic & pedals gets removed. Now as the pilot removes feet from pedals the heading autopilot will engage and keep the helicopter flying locked in same heading. The pedals will stay in the same position and not return to center due to rudder force trim used. This doesn't happen ingame. After trimming the cyclic and pedals virtually I still have to move the pedals to centre for the heading autopilot to engage making the nose first swing left as I add left pedal, then right as autopilot engages to try to control heading. This simulated behavior only works with usual artificial rudder trim method when you have to center pedals for trim to take effect. Easiest way to fix this would be to add an option to make the force trimmer button also program the heading autopilot like how it works in Ka-50. I understand that this is not exactly how it works irl (pedal switches program heading autopilot, not force trim switch) but the effect and procedure would be same as irl (deflect stick and pedals to get wanted aircraft attitude, trim & remove feet from pedals). Hope that made any sense, Love the Mi-8! Edited October 14, 2016 by Penshoon Otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Fantastic! A real pilot with lots of experience and not a guy like me just simming. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thBG_Blackwolf Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Quote: Originally Posted by Art-J View Post __What does "rudder trim" option is special tab of Mi-8 module do? .. __What does "central position trimmer mode" option do?. .. PilotMI8: yet we weigh the options final implementation of these functions So, do I take that as they don't do anything right now? I'm confused :unsure: BSD Discord , BSD Website If it doesn't hover, it just sucks and blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 ^ These replies were given 1,5 years ago. The options certainly do something now: a) "rudder trim" checked causes the virtual rudder pedals to stay in trimmed position after pushing the trim button on the stick, but because it will be confusing for people who own standard gaming pedals / twist joysticks (as these devices' position will not match virtual pedals), it might be better to leave this option unchecked and just fly with no pedal trimming capability, even though real chopper has it; In that case, only the cyclic stick is trimmable; b) "central position trimmer mode" enables stick trimming as explained in quick start manual (virtual remains in trimmed position, while You have to center the real one). It's equal to "default" option I believe. The "stick without FFB and springs" option allows the virtual stick to always remain in the same position as the real one, even after trimming. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thBG_Blackwolf Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Thanks Art.. I did not look at the dates posted, my bad. So I'll just keep on how I do and all is good. BSD Discord , BSD Website If it doesn't hover, it just sucks and blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genbrien Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) After today's update I flew the Mi-8 again (after a long pause) but I seem to have a problem with the Trim in general that IIRC didnt have before, at least not on the Huey nor the Ka-50. I have both Rudder trimmer and Central position trimmer thicked. It seems that each time I trim, it's not where my control was, they are always off. It's quite hard to fly it steady when it's behaving like that Am I the only one? 1st pic: My controls initially 2nd pic: My controls just before I push the Trim button 3rd pic: My control after I pushed the Trim button :cry: Edited December 2, 2016 by genbrien Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 I have the same feeling. The AFCS is not working as before, or maybe is my ignorance about how this AFCS works now but the trim isn´t working as it should. When a press the trimmer the diamond dont stay where i left it and also with Pitch Roll lamp ON in straight flight the Mi-8 is pitching up and down all the time. Only when the AFCS is OFF in the three channels the Mi-8 is contolable but no trimable. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genbrien Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) I just tested the Ka-50 and it's not doing it. On the Ka-50 it's working as it should. EDIT: tested the Huey and working like the Ka-50, as it should Edited December 2, 2016 by genbrien Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Translators Foka1 Posted December 2, 2016 ED Translators Share Posted December 2, 2016 Guys please try Trimmer mode: Default I think central position trimmer mode is for non spring sticks.. AKA LazzySeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Hmmm... trims just fine here overall, although I fly with the pitch/roll stab channel ON only (i.e. heading and altitude are OFF) and I never use the autopilot assistance option. And yeah, I'm using the default trimmer mode too. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genbrien Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Guys please try Trimmer mode: Default I think central position trimmer mode is for non spring sticks.. Found it You have to disable ''Control Helper'' but enable ''Central position trimming'' :thumbup: I guess ''control helper'' could be explain clearer but everything works as it should Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team PilotMi8 Posted December 2, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 2, 2016 After today's update I flew the Mi-8 again (after a long pause) but I seem to have a problem with the Trim in general that IIRC didnt have before, at least not on the Huey nor the Ka-50. I have both Rudder trimmer and Central position trimmer thicked. It seems that each time I trim, it's not where my control was, they are always off. It's quite hard to fly it steady when it's behaving like that Am I the only one? 1st pic: My controls initially 2nd pic: My controls just before I push the Trim button 3rd pic: My control after I pushed the Trim button :cry: we expect from you screenshots of your controls settings and tracks. It will help us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Sorry my fault. I´ve checked the Control Helper box. Unchecked and the Mi-8 flights delicious ¡¡¡¡ Thanks. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team PilotMi8 Posted December 2, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 2, 2016 Sorry my fault. I´ve checked the Control Helper box. Unchecked and the Mi-8 flights delicious ¡¡¡¡ Thanks. :clap_2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Am I right in thinking that for standard, central-sprung, non-FFB joystick users, the "default" and "central position" modes are the same thing really? i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I turn the cheats off and learn from the get-go how to fly without. Just a matter of preference. Do what you want. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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