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Wanted types and brands of equipment involved in the European theater in 1944-1945, Germany, USA, England, France. 1. Armoured 2. Air Defence 3. Cars 4. Railway equipment (locomotives, etc.). Write here I will collect a summary table.

 

May be best to post in that thread, so Chizh sees the response.


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war locomotive

 

should be the most common in the later years.

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In this post I will focus on American ground units. I will be throwing most common for Normandy 1944 scenario, which should be able to build a very believable ground force.

 

USA

 

1. Armoured.

I think the priority is to have M4 Sherman, one of the most iconic tanks of WW2, present during Normandy and any other major operation since 1942

Data:

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m4sherman.html#M4A2

Gun penetration data.

http://amizaur.prv.pl/www.wargamer.org/GvA/weapons/usa_guns5.html

 

sherman8.jpg

 

Different Sherman types are included in the link. Most common during Normandy operations were short barrel M4, M4A1 and M4A2 Variants, but there were also, M4A1 and A2 versions with a new turret that contained M1 76mm gun.

 

M10 GMC Primary US tank destroyer for 1942-45

Data

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/3ingmcm10.html

 

 

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M5 Stuart light tank. One of the most wide spread allied light tanks of the war.

Data:

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m5stuart.html

Weapon Data.

http://amizaur.prv.pl/www.wargamer.org/GvA/weapons/usa_guns2.html

 

m5.jpg

 

M8 Greyhound It uses the same Weapon as M5 Stuart. Additional .50cal machinegun was possible to be mounted on the turret.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_Greyhound

Armoured cars

M3 Halftrack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_Half-track

 

Hornorable mentions (post france)

M18 Hellcat

M36 Jackson

M26 Pershing.

M24 Chaffee

 

2. Air Defense

Stationary:

M45 Maxon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M45_Quadmount

M2 90mm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90_mm_Gun_M1/M2/M3

M1 37mm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M1

 

Mobile:

M15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M15_Halftrack

M16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_Multiple_Gun_Motor_Carriage

 

3.Cars

GMC CCKW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMC_CCKW

Willis MB Jeep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_MB

US6 Studebaker truck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker_US6

 

I wonder how deep the simulation will go.


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British Locomotives used overseas during WW2, Stanier's Class 8F

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Stanier_Class_8F

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_Austerity_2-8-0

 

These 2-10-0 locos seen service in Europe from D-Day onwards and a few were sold on to European countries after the war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_Austerity_2-10-0

 

Hunslet Tank Locomotive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunslet_Austerity_0-6-0ST


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Apart from all the armored cars and tanks we need the 'Wehrmacht' workhorse.

 

The "Opel Blitz 3,5/3,6 3to Lkw" transport truck. Troop transport open (Pritschenwagen) and closed, cargo transport and fuel truck

 

Sorry, only link I found with some data is to the german wikipedia.

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Blitz_3,6_%28Wehrmacht%29

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This is a really great sign. Not necessarily that the map terrain is being worked on, but at least it appears they are prepping to start making models for the map.

 

Does Chizh have a specific cut off point for 1944? Because what point in 1944 could determine what units. For example IIRC the King Tigers were starting to be fielded in September of 1944 and beyond, but anything prior and you're looking at Tiger I.

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Here is a great reference site : http://ww2db.com/index.php

 

I also used to play a great Turn based War Game back in the day that seemed to have a great data base of just about most of the "hardware" that was used in WW2 . You can still DL the game here:

http://www.excgame.com/combat-mission-beyond-overlord-free-download/

 

What i am inferring here is that you could use this as a start point for data base reference for Tanks, AFV, etc etc . Just a thought.

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Does Chizh have a specific cut off point for 1944? Because what point in 1944 could determine what units. For example IIRC the King Tigers were starting to be fielded in September of 1944 and beyond, but anything prior and you're looking at Tiger I.
If this post is anything to go by, then I assume the cutoff point will be around the liberation of Paris. Basically anything from June, July, or August 1944. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=135412

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If this post is anything to go by, then I assume the cutoff point will be around the liberation of Paris. Basically anything from June, July, or August 1944. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=135412

 

I would assume these dates to be correct seeing as VEAO and Eagle Dynamics are working on the 262 and the Meteor both either in service or just beginning to at that period.

 

In regards to Commonwealth armour availible at the point of D Day heres a nice refference site

http://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-funny-tanks-of-d-day

The Churchill is a must along with the Funnies I think.

 

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For example IIRC the King Tigers were starting to be fielded in September of 1944 and beyond, but anything prior and you're looking at Tiger I.

 

The King Tiger was first fielded in July 1944.

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The King Tiger was first fielded in July 1944.

You need numbers to become viable. Tiger II was alredy available during Normandy fighting, but in very small numbers. I don't think it would be a good world builder for that time (although give us all the tanks)

 

The problem with German army is that variety of tanks, SPGs and other equipment is so big that it can't be all pointed out.

 

Also, @TooTall Tiger or Tiger II were never standard tanks of German armed foces. They were rare heavy tanks. That ussualy were used in concentration of Heavy tank batalions. Moreover Tiger I in E version was still produced during production of Tiger II

 

Why is everyone so obsessed with Tiger and Panther? PzIV and StuG are the real threat to the allies most of the time.:huh:


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In this post I will focus on Commowealth ground units. I will try focus on those that are the most common for the time and would make the game more alive.

 

1. Armour

Cromwell Mk VII http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/A27M_Cruiser_MkVIII_Cromwell.php

 

Churchill MkVII http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/A22_Churchill_Tank.php

Sherman Firefly http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=248

http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/firefly_tank/index.html

http://www.dday-overlord.com/eng/sherman_firefly_tank.htm

Achilles (M10 with 17pdr)

Archer http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=381

Bren Carrier http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/universal_carrier.php

 

2. Air Defense

Static:

Bofors 40mm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_40_mm_gun

QF 3.7-inch AA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_3.7-inch_AA_gun

20mm Polsten https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_mm_Polsten

 

3. Car

Bedford QL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Vehicles

Willis MB Jeep (same as US)


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Not forgetting the DUKW...

 

http://militaryvehicleweb.com/vehicle/1943-wwii-amphibious-military-dukw-by-gmc/

 

Also, there were a whole series of "Funnies" used during the beach landings, some downright bizzare, some very practical. Stuff like Sherman flails, Sherman Duplex Drives, The Churchill AVRE. Then there are more tanks such as the Cromwell, the Sherman Firefly, the Churchill, the Archer, the M10 assault gun etc.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_flail

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell_tank

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly

 

http://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-funny-tanks-of-d-day

 

Mulberry Harbour is also a must - two were built, but one was destroyed during a storm...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulberry_harbour

 

Landing ships and assault craft...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Ship,_Tank

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_craft_tank

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Craft_Assault

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Vehicle_Tracked

 

One particularly iconic craft was the LCT equipped with rocket batteries...

 

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0R9WJmYhIR8C&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=LCT+mortar&source=bl&ots=njKzzg0Wbl&sig=Q9xofPRwugEztxl5zov0uwFa1-8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_n2KVbK_E4jD7ga4lbr4BA&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=LCT%20mortar&f=false


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The King Tiger was first fielded in July 1944.

 

You are correct, my mistake.

 

Also, @TooTall Tiger or Tiger II were never standard tanks of German armed foces. They were rare heavy tanks. That ussualy were used in concentration of Heavy tank batalions. Moreover Tiger I in E version was still produced during production of Tiger II

 

Why is everyone so obsessed with Tiger and Panther? PzIV and StuG are the real threat to the allies most of the time.:huh:

 

It was just an example of why we needed to know a more exact date range target. The whole of 1944 to 1945 is a pretty big window. Granted I happen to really like the Tigers, especially Tiger I. Blame the book "Tiger Tracks" for that :smilewink:

 

The problem with German army is that variety of tanks, SPGs and other equipment is so big that it can't be all pointed out.

 

Definitely, I think ED would just limit themselves to the more common and well known items in the short term. We seem to have talented modders and artists in DCS, I'm sure some will add to the variety themselves.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with Tiger and Panther? PzIV and StuG are the real threat to the allies most of the time.:huh:

 

Why obsessed?

 

In the Normandy timeframe, numbers of Panzer IV and Panthers were almost equal.

 

Panzer IV: 758

Panther: 655

StuG: 158

 

So, it was more common to meet a Panther, than a StuG.

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From a flight Sim perspective I'd rather focus on the dominant Anti-Air threats. I'm not a specialist, but from what I know the majority of low altitude Anti-Air was common gunfire and MGs.

Second medium altitude small caliber FLAK and mobile FLAK systems and high altitude large caliber FLAK / Anti Aircraft guns.

Most of the ground troops were most likely infantry, on trucks or SdKfz semis or similar. Fortified positions, support artillery, anti tank guns etc.

The tanks especially the more recent Tiger and Panther should usually be limited to front line attacks and strategic positions, rare in massive numbers and likely used as tip of the spear of counter attacks.

Fortified positions of various size and armament, road blocks against tracked vehicles, camouflaged artillery positions (hidden to the casual allied fighter), these are the most necessary objects and vehicles for a WW II Normandy map...

Of course a variety of tanks (StuG, PzKW IV, Panther and Tiger I/II) is a good addition.

What do you think? Are there any numbers on Infantry vehicles, trucks, support etc.?

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Not listed specific WW2 vehicles from 1944 to 1945, but many details photos of WW2 vehicles.

 

http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/in_detail/in_detail.htm (scroll down)

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