"Buddy Spike" - DCS World Online Events

[M0ltar]

If this is the aim, let put everything on and setup defenses as it should.

 

On blue:

F15 with AMRAAMS

A10C with the full stock.

Gazelle and UH1

 

HAWKs and patriots.

 

NP but remember.. red will at least have this:

 

 

On red

 

SU27/MIG29 w Datalink

MIG21 with the nuke

Su25T with the full SEAD capabilities

SU25A -- The one I fly.. .I hate the 25t.. is a fat pig.

S300

TORs

KUBs

BUKs

Tungusta

 

Here we go again with people taking it too far. All Im saying when I wrote what I did is limiting things too much is going to cause people to leave. People continuing to say my jet cant do this so I want what they have banned is just dumb.

 

Nukes are a bit too far and so are SA10s for most people.

 

No problem with TORs or Tungs though.

[NaCH]

Here we go again with people taking it too far. All Im saying when I wrote what I did is limiting things too much is going to cause people to leave. People continuing to say my jet cant do this so I want what they have banned is just dumb.

 

Nukes are a bit too far and so are SA10s for most people.

 

No problem with TORs or Tungs though.

 

If people leave because they don't have a plane.. that they like.... I'm ok ... let them leave.

 

I like to fly the Mirage2000... do you se me leaving even thou I'm red side?

 

Actually many went blue because the mirage & Gazelle was limited to one side....

 

FYI almost everyone is flying the mirage now in blue... looks like people fly what give them the edge for the stats and not what they "enjoy"

[M0ltar]

If people leave because they don't have a plane.. that they like.... I'm ok ... let them leave.

 

I like to fly the Mirage2000... do you se me leaving even thou I'm red side?

 

Actually many went blue because the mirage & Gazelle was limited to one side....

 

FYI almost everyone is flying the mirage now in blue... looks like people fly what give them the edge for the stats and not what they "enjoy"

 

Yes, but you had the choice to fly red. You coudl have flown blue, but you chose not to. Im saying if you start removing things from the server all together and Im talking about weapons on the jets and planes that are not period correct. If you take away what people want they are going to stop joining all together. Yes people go to one side or the other for a jet because its not availalbe on the other side. I bet people are on red for the SU27 and Migs and the MI8. Same goes for blue.

 

If people leave and the server population continues to decrease, who are you going to fly against? The trees and the breeze and the rain?

Edited July 19, 2016 by M0ltar

[gregzagk]

Im reading through this and all I am is awstruck. People are so caught up in things being far. Nothing in war is fair. Furthermore, this isn't real war. This is a game. If things continue to get restricted like airframes and weapons etc, Buddyspike is going to lose a large amount of its player base.

 

Making suggestions like, lets remove the A10C and put in the A10A and remove the SU25T and replace it with the SU25 are just ways to make people feel better about things.

 

Why don't we simply go forward with the tools we have and make the best use out of them. Yes, I was miffed when the AGM H was removed, but that was more because it was jsut removed and with no explaination. Yes, the Flanker is at a disadvantage if you compare it straight up in ALL aspects with the Eagle, but so does every jet in hisotry when you compare it to its main rival. What people need to do is use that jets advantages to their benefit intsead of complaining that there position is poor because the other sides plane can do X, Y, and Z.

 

Frankly I'm jealous at the amount of ordance a SU25 and the KA50 can carry. Yes they may have a shorter range then my AGMs but they can carry a whole hell of a lot more and are still guided. Again, people need to fly the plane to its advantages instead of thinking that every tactic is going to work in every plane.

 

Lastly, people need to come down off their high horses and understand that this is simply a game. Yes, we do take it seriously as simers thend to do, but in the end we are armchair flying virtual versions for military aircraft. Have fun and stop worrying about what Blue/Red has that you don't. Find a way to make what you have work for what you want it to do.

 

Couldn't say it better :thumbup:

We try to bring different concepts each time. Nothing will ever be perfectly balanced but each side has advantages and disadvantages.

 

Sides can plan different tactics when they are outnumbered on specific timezones, other tactics when they are more, different attack methods based on their targets and aircraft availability etc.

 

That's the goal of the campaign. We think that it's better spending time to find the best tactics for your side instead of arguing about what the enemy has and what shouldn't have.

And if someone compares it with real wars, well the fighting sides have no option to ask the enemy of not using specific weapons.

 

Let's enjoy what we have :smilewink:

 

Greg

[NaCH]

Yes, but you had the choice to fly red. You coudl have flown blue, but you chose not to. Im saying if you start removing things from the server all together and Im talking about weapons on the jets and planes that are not period correct. If you take away what people want they are going to stop joining all together. Yes people go to one side or the other for a jet because its not availalbe on the other side. I bet people are on red for the SU27 and Migs and the MI8. Same goes for blue.

 

If people leave and the server population continues to decrease, who are you going to fly against? The trees and the breeze and the rain?

 

Again... that will happen to blue because there is only a few red.

I'm just trying to make it intresting to poeple that I like to fly, I know those people will like to give more importance to a team effort than "AMRAAM / A10C"

 

As I said.. enable everything but bring back fuel supplies only carrier by players and CSAR ... as it was on round 5.. best team effort I saw.

[Frostie]

I bet people are on red for the SU27 and Migs and the MI8.

 

No, it is because i'm a Liverpool fan and hate Everton plus blue is a bit of a gheycolour.

Red says i'm confident in my sexuality and dangerous, the ladies know this, no safety limits, full power, Red or dead.

Not like safety inspector blues and their safety checks and boring procedures... yawn.

 

This is why i'm Red. :smoke:

 

Now lets get this fight on.

[BodyOrgan]

Here we go again with people taking it too far. All Im saying when I wrote what I did is limiting things too much is going to cause people to leave. People continuing to say my jet cant do this so I want what they have banned is just dumb.

 

Nukes are a bit too far and so are SA10s for most people.

 

No problem with TORs or Tungs though.

I think you took it too far with the statement "People are so caught up in things being far. Nothing in war is fair."

 

If you really feel balance isn't important, then you really should have to fight against the full arsenal Red can employ.

 

Yes, but you had the choice to fly red. You coudl have flown blue, but you chose not to. Im saying if you start removing things from the server all together and Im talking about weapons on the jets and planes that are not period correct. If you take away what people want they are going to stop joining all together. Yes people go to one side or the other for a jet because its not availalbe on the other side. I bet people are on red for the SU27 and Migs and the MI8. Same goes for blue.

 

If people leave and the server population continues to decrease, who are you going to fly against? The trees and the breeze and the rain?

You're pretty much fighting the AI as it is. If the numbers don't change that could be all that's left.

 

I chose to fly the Red side because as usual the Blue side stacked. If those of us who would like to fly Blue join up, then you, and I really will be fighting the trees, breeze, and rain.

 

Couldn't say it better :thumbup:

We try to bring different concepts each time. Nothing will ever be perfectly balanced but each side has advantages and disadvantages.

 

Sides can plan different tactics when they are outnumbered on specific timezones, other tactics when they are more, different attack methods based on their targets and aircraft availability etc.

 

That's the goal of the campaign. We think that it's better spending time to find the best tactics for your side instead of arguing about what the enemy has and what shouldn't have.

And if someone compares it with real wars, well the fighting sides have no option to ask the enemy of not using specific weapons.

 

Let's enjoy what we have :smilewink:

 

Greg

I've already resigned myself to the notion BuddySpike will do nothing for team imbalance, and I'm not talking about weapon restrictions.

 

Until you get rid of the messages broadcasting our every move, and the multiplayer slot selection screen giving away our area of operation (yes, an ED problem I know), so we can't be counter picked.... well, the team with numbers Redfor draws at best will maybe defend an airfield.

Edited July 19, 2016 by BodyOrgan

[Pikey]

Much of the debate about what is fair and balanced on either side is indeed moot when red aren't really showing numbers during testing. I would be slightly worried if we had side autobalancing, imagine at any given time if your side is too many than the other, you dont get to play? I'm sure they debated this and that forcing the numbers is a fundamentally concerning step down a path that may turn away more players than it brings in. Having genuinely different aircraft capabilities on each side is a massive bonus as it forces you to respond with thought and tactics. PvP is fundamentally about using slight advantages to gain the upper hand, that often means going in with a friend and just using numbers. If that means concentrating fire in one place, or diverting the enemy from your true intentions, then that's exactly what Blue Flag invokes and we've seen it time and time again, its not about the individual efforts or the balancing, but about the team play.

[winchesterdelta1]

NP but remember.. red will at least have this:

 

 

On red

 

SU27/MIG29 w Datalink

MIG21 with the nuke

Su25T with the full SEAD capabilities

SU25A -- The one I fly.. .I hate the 25t.. is a fat pig.

S300

TORs

KUBs

BUKs

Tungusta

 

I think that would be a great challenge. But c'mon the Nuke is a bit to much. But theater defenses and targets in those defenses other than FARP's and Airfields would be great.

 

Can't wait for the day to have some convoy's driving around supply's and hit strategic targets like bridges and factory's and such. In most cases in bluefor you have to go right into devils castle to get some good targets. Target diversity and role diversity is very important. So everybody can do something they like and still be tactical about it and employ team work. I hope to see that when the map grows. Maybe if we get the Crimea back.

[mia389]

If people leave because they don't have a plane.. that they like.... I'm ok ... let them leave.

 

I like to fly the Mirage2000... do you se me leaving even thou I'm red side?

 

Actually many went blue because the mirage & Gazelle was limited to one side....

 

FYI almost everyone is flying the mirage now in blue... looks like people fly what give them the edge for the stats and not what they "enjoy"

 

Mirage can get to the fight alot quicker. Someone keeping stats?

[microvax]

I am for higher end defences if Tunguska missiles get fixed to manufacturer spec or it will not be in Blueflag.

 

[Manufacturer spec says missile can be deployed down to 15m alt, in DCS it still does engage you at 5m alt at max range....]

[mia389]

Much of the debate about what is fair and balanced on either side is indeed moot when red aren't really showing numbers during testing..

 

:huh: Here we go with the numbers again. Its even right now as I type this. Lastnight red out numbered blue 2 to 1. Sometimes it goes the other way. There is no numbers problem atm.

 

https://gyazo.com/786f9e0c3d92852a7e14ed744ff72d54

[xcom]

About DCS Simple Radio by Ciribob & Blue Flag....

 

We are currently in the testing phase of round 8, the radio concept is something we wanted to implement for a long time, now that it is here, we will move forward with the opportunity to raise the fidelity and with it the immersion!

 

Although we did not release a standard operating procedure of the radio yet, start using it!

Even if you have no one to talk to at that minute, you will learn how to use it and get familiar with the options available and the improvements it introduces to flight communications.

So please start using it and get comfortable with it, there is an excellent video made by Ciribob on operating the radio in all air frames, put in the few minutes to discover it and help us push it forward as a standard of use with Blue Flag!

If you see anyone not using it with you on TS or in the server, please introduce them to this awesome option, we will all benefit from it!

 

Link to download - https://github.com/ciribob/DCS-SimpleRadioStandalone/releases/latest

Link to the frequency overview (don't let it scare you!!) - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tzd996zJ1t0heZ-t1PpL7vNUIZbXl7pI6De0GThN1Qw/edit#gid=1869108790

The excellent installation and overview video by Ciribob -

[Tello]

+1

Well there is actually some heavily defended areas where we could install much more effective Ground to air defenses. - Like Vaziani and Anapa areas. Then set up for some convoys carrying fuel/missiles/parts that need protection from some "bad ass elite behind enemy lines troops" with heavy hardward, or maybe they captured a city that needs to be freed. Then the role as escort heli would fit very nice in. Cover the transport while they insert troops and look for smoke trails and small arms fire -with the random BRRRT or BRRTSKI(Su-25) swinging by when needed - If there is areas that are massively defended by G2A radars then the groundmovers of any sort could go there if outnumbered/unbalanced teams or if you are just tired of "going defensive flare flare - chaff chaff chaff" down in the hot zones.

Just an idea for you guys to take apart :smartass:

 

Can't wait for the day to have some convoy's driving around supply's and hit strategic targets like bridges and factory's and such. In most cases in bluefor you have to go right into devils castle to get some good targets. Target diversity and role diversity is very important. So everybody can do something they like and still be tactical about it and employ team work. I hope to see that when the map grows. Maybe if we get the Crimea back.

[Pitot]

There are mechanisms for resuplying airports in mission editor. The shear amount of unnecessary claims/wishes that are based on not knowing how to engage target is...terrible. "We are not good enough to do it" - train harder. Easy servers with static-ish targets far away from fighters are in multitude. Go, have fun. ;)

[Chrinik]

Also, an airfield has 5-6 osas, 3ish strelas, 3 or 4 shilkas, 2 bunkers, the white house things...leaving targets that must be destroyed up near 15 or 16. That's all assuming no Kubs are anywhere in play. If it can be done, show me how. Show all of us on blue how. I'm an average a10 pilot. Maybe above average because I understand pretty much all of its systems with a few tiny exceptions. I'm not great, I'm above average, but I challenge you to close an airfield in one alone. We'd all love to see it.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

 

In current setup:

 

Mavs for the Osas, 2 GBU-12 per Bunker/House or one GBU-16, gun for the rest.

 

Without TGP:

 

Mavs for the Osas, 2 MK 82 per Bunker/House or one Mk-84, gun for the rest.

 

You said something? Or did you forget the A-10 has a gun and can carry a bucketload of bombs? Let´s not forget you could still deploy GBU-12s with a JTAC.

 

Or have you NEVER used the A-10C without the TGP for strike-missions?

 

And before you whine...Strelas and Shilkas can be engaged with the gun just fine, for anything else, you carry enough Countermeassures.

 

Your unwillingness to give up just a BIT of capability, when red is expected to give up capabilities left right and center for "ballance" is just very indicative of what kind of gameplay people are looking for. Your entire arguement about "taking away what people want" is exactly my argument. You just don´t see it through your rose tinted glasses. I was never against scrapping the KA-50 or Vikhrs if you feel so inclined, but you made the argument the A-10C with TGP is about the same time off then the KA-50 and SU-25T...which is wrong.

 

I´d also love for you to show the entirety of Redfor how you take out six targets with an SU-25T in one go.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Chrinik

[Chrinik]

Much of the debate about what is fair and balanced on either side is indeed moot when red aren't really showing numbers during testing.

 

I wonder what would cause people to not want to show up...:noexpression:

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Honestly if the restrictions prevent those with a lack of skill then I'd rather see this as a campaign for the more experienced pilots that have to work a bit harder to achieve a goal. I fl the mirage right now. Tbh if there was no 29s, f15s or 27s then I would be on red for in the mig21. It's a challenge it pushes the envelope in which my skills are viable in.

 

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[Beeroshima]

In current setup:

 

Mavs for the Osas, 2 GBU-12 per Bunker/House or one GBU-16, gun for the rest.

 

Without TGP:

 

Mavs for the Osas, 2 MK 82 per Bunker/House or one Mk-84, gun for the rest.

 

You said something? Or did you forget the A-10 has a gun and can carry a bucketload of bombs? Let´s not forget you could still deploy GBU-12s with a JTAC.

 

Or have you NEVER used the A-10C without the TGP for strike-missions?

 

And before you whine...Strelas and Shilkas can be engaged with the gun just fine, for anything else, you carry enough Countermeassures.

 

Your unwillingness to give up just a BIT of capability, when red is expected to give up capabilities left right and center for "ballance" is just very indicative of what kind of gameplay people are looking for. Your entire arguement about "taking away what people want" is exactly my argument. You just don´t see it through your rose tinted glasses. I was never against scrapping the KA-50 or Vikhrs if you feel so inclined, but you made the argument the A-10C with TGP is about the same time off then the KA-50 and SU-25T...which is wrong.

 

I´d also love for you to show the entirety of Redfor how you take out six targets with an SU-25T in one go.

Chirnik, care to make a wager? We'll set it up. If you can kill an airfield, with a single a10, ill play redfor in round 8 when it goes live. Let's end hostilities and make this fun. We'll make a mission, get some observers, use the same setup as blue flag and see if it can be done. To answer your question, I know how to use jtacs, among other employment methods.

 

Care to accept the wager?

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[mia389]

Chirnik, care to make a wager? We'll set it up. If you can kill an airfield, with a single a10, ill play redfor in round 8 when it goes live. Let's end hostilities and make this fun. We'll make a mission, get some observers, use the same setup as blue flag and see if it can be done. To answer your question, I know how to use jtacs, among other employment methods.

 

Care to accept the wager?

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

 

Yeah right! I want what Chirnik is smoking. :pilotfly:

[M0ltar]

In current setup:

 

Mavs for the Osas, 2 GBU-12 per Bunker/House or one GBU-16, gun for the rest.

 

Without TGP:

 

Mavs for the Osas, 2 MK 82 per Bunker/House or one Mk-84, gun for the rest.

 

You said something? Or did you forget the A-10 has a gun and can carry a bucketload of bombs? Let´s not forget you could still deploy GBU-12s with a JTAC.

 

Or have you NEVER used the A-10C without the TGP for strike-missions?

 

And before you whine...Strelas and Shilkas can be engaged with the gun just fine, for anything else, you carry enough Countermeassures.

 

Your unwillingness to give up just a BIT of capability, when red is expected to give up capabilities left right and center for "ballance" is just very indicative of what kind of gameplay people are looking for. Your entire arguement about "taking away what people want" is exactly my argument. You just don´t see it through your rose tinted glasses. I was never against scrapping the KA-50 or Vikhrs if you feel so inclined, but you made the argument the A-10C with TGP is about the same time off then the KA-50 and SU-25T...which is wrong.

 

I´d also love for you to show the entirety of Redfor how you take out six targets with an SU-25T in one go.

 

Why is this a competition between who can be right or not or who is the better pilot? Yes the A10C has a gun. However, You're including gunning SA9s and Sa13s. Now I know its possible, but it is not possible for the typical A10C driver. Yes, the gun is a nice thing to have, but its not an instant win vs everything. To effectivly kill targets with the GAU8, notice EFFECTIVLY, you need to engage the target from <1.5nm. Even at 1.5nm its still hit or miss on whether an SA or Shilka will go down due to round placement.

 

Second, carrying 6 GBU12s is a bit much don't yuu think? Yes the A10C could take of with 8 GBU12s or 4 38s and 2 12s etc, but flying that heavy is not practical. People need to get over themselves. Just because you can do something in some plane does not mean everyone can do it or should do it for that matter. To tag onto this, for people saying we want realism.... There is no way any type of strike aircraft would ever engage a manned missle sight with gun.

[Beeroshima]

Why is this a competition between who can be right or not or who is the better pilot? Yes the A10C has a gun. However, You're including gunning SA9s and Sa13s. Now I know its possible, but it is not possible for the typical A10C driver. Yes, the gun is a nice thing to have, but its not an instant win vs everything. To effectivly kill targets with the GAU8, notice EFFECTIVLY, you need to engage the target from <1.5nm. Even at 1.5nm its still hit or miss on whether an SA or Shilka will go down due to round placement.

 

Second, carrying 6 GBU12s is a bit much don't yuu think? Yes the A10C could take of with 8 GBU12s or 4 38s and 2 12s etc, but flying that heavy is not practical. People need to get over themselves. Just because you can do something in some plane does not mean everyone can do it or should do it for that matter. To tag onto this, for people saying we want realism.... There is no way any type of strike aircraft would ever engage a manned missle sight with gun.

By that logic we should give up aim 9s because you can gun fighters with the a10.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[M0ltar]

Had a great conversation with some red and blue players today! Thanks to Body_Organ, Beeroshima, Chrinik, and Elmo!

 

We talked about a lot, but there were a few things that were brought up numerous times and were all in agreement on.

 

1) Having this 80s year restriction causes major issues in balance and causes people to fight about what should and should not be in the game due to what year it came out, etc. We thought that it would be better to instead say we just want balance and a round that does not inlcude the AIM 120 and its red counterpart for this example.

 

2) The A10C gets its AGM-65-H back and the SU25 gets the KU-25-MPU and the pod back. This gives both jets some stand off range. I know that the A10C is at a disadvantage here because we don't have the pod to find radiation sites, but there will be some tradeoffs. The 65-H gives the A10C some standoff range against Kubs when using the Force Correlate and the SEAD missle for red gives them some standoff range against both the Kubs and the SA-8. A10C in its tradeoff is much better at hitting multiple targets in one pass.

 

3)The weather. It is ALWAYS raining. Can we stop this? I understand rain sometimes, but for almost every single restart it has been raining since the start of testing. Also, the 10k clouds are a problem for the A10C if we want to balance out for the SU25 getting the 25MPU and pod. Not being able to get high enough, especially in the mountains, makes it very hard to find Kubs. The SU25s pod has no issues looking through clouds, but the A10Cs TGP is limited to line of sight.

 

4) Allow the M2000 to start with the INS already aligned. This allows it, in the round of Blue Falg, to be the equal to reds Mig29S. It can take up to 8 minutes to align while the Mig29 simply has to refuel and off it goes.

 

5) Add the Mig29A to the foward bases. Blue gets the M2000 at forward bases. Should red get the Mig29A?

 

6) Blues JTAC can drive while reds cannot. Can we make it so reds JTAC can drive? Seems to make sense since thats what JTACs are in the game to do.

 

7) Have more open disucssions about what Blue Flag is and how we can make it better in the future in a voice dialog on TS or Skype instead of allowing conversations to disparage into cesspools of crap here on the forums.

 

Side note - KP90 Comms stations coordinates are wrong on the app. Also it seems the comm station is sitting at 18k feet on top of a mountain. Is this intended?

 

Both red and blue were in agreements for everything that was said above. Now, I know that the people talking were in a limited number, but I think it was a good converstaion about balance etc.

Edited July 20, 2016 by M0ltar

[Sweep]

^+1 to all of that.

[xcom]

We will check the weather an why reds cannot drive, thanks for reporting.