M151/20 MG Pods?

[Ripcord03]

So, yes I did a search, but all threads relating to the topic are over a year old....

 

So I was wondering, are we ever going to see the M151/20 Gunpods on the Bf109K4? I mean they are in all DCS documentation for the K4 as being an option, but they are yet to be added in game.

 

Plus if you search around there is plenty of info about the K4 using M151/20 (mostly on bomber intercept, even if not a lot of pilots liked them due to the Performance Decrease when it comes to maneuverability)... Personally, I'd like to see these become an option, especially with the supposedly upcoming normandy map (ground attack combining 20mm and 30mm would be awesome) and with the release of the spitfire coming too...

 

Just my two cents... any other 109 pilots out here want to weigh in?

[jester_]

So, yes I did a search, but all threads relating to the topic are over a year old....

 

So I was wondering, are we ever going to see the M151/20 Gunpods on the Bf109K4? I mean they are in all DCS documentation for the K4 as being an option, but they are yet to be added in game.

 

Plus if you search around there is plenty of info about the K4 using M151/20 (mostly on bomber intercept, even if not a lot of pilots liked them due to the Performance Decrease when it comes to maneuverability)... Personally, I'd like to see these become an option, especially with the supposedly upcoming normandy map (ground attack combining 20mm and 30mm would be awesome) and with the release of the spitfire coming too...

 

Just my two cents... any other 109 pilots out here want to weigh in?

 

 

I'm sure they'll be added eventually.

 

I'm also sure I'll keep them far away from my aircraft, whilst chuckling to myself every time I see someone take off with them.

[Ripcord03]

I'm sure they'll be added eventually.

 

I'm also sure I'll keep them far away from my aircraft, whilst chuckling to myself every time I see someone take off with them.

 

fair enough, i just think it would be fun to add that to the possible payload for eventual ground attack missions, because as it stands right now the only real capable ground attack airframe for WWII is the pony, due to the amount of ordinance it can carry, would be cool to see both the 151/20 and the 21mm rockets added. (just my opinion lol)

[Kurfürst]

Gunpods, the 21 cm rockets, and an extended bombload with all bomb options (SC, SC 50-500 kg bombs, AB cluster bomb containers) would be all nice to see. :)

[WinterH]

Gunpods, the 21 cm rockets, and an extended bombload with all bomb options (SC, SC 50-500 kg bombs, AB cluster bomb containers) would be all nice to see. :)

 

+ 1

 

And I guess also the R4M rockets in Dora's case.

[WildBillKelsoe]

wait, Bf109 carried Kluster bombs?

[Sryan]

wait, Bf109 carried Kluster bombs?

 

Yes, the SD2. More famously under it's nickname "butterfly bomb". I'm not sure if 109 carried SD1 or SD4

[Kurfürst]

Yes, the SD2. More famously under it's nickname "butterfly bomb". I'm not sure if 109 carried SD1 or SD4

 

Early 109E carried these bomblets (of various size: 2, 4, 10 kg etc) under the belly in a fixed container. Sometimes in stuck in the container, so later a bomb-shaped container, or "mother bomb" which was filled with bomblets, dropped and opened in air, releasing the bomblets - and basically the forerunner of modern cluster bombs - designated AB 250, 500, 1000 (the numbers designating the nominal weight of the bomb in kilos) was introduced.

 

It was similar in size the normal SC, SD bombs. This was used by bombers and fighters alike.

 

The load varied, it could be loaded for example with SD 2 small fragmentation bombs (aka the butterfly bomb), and a later US re-incarnation of it:

 

 

... or for anti tank work, the SD 4HL 4 HEAT bombs.

 

 

Here's a picture of one of the AB bomb containers - and AB 500 containing 114 SD 4 HL anti tank bomblets.

 

 

Larger ones existed, here is the AB-1000fitted with 610 B-1 incendinary bomblets, carried by a bomber:

 

Edited November 4, 2015 by Kurfürst
more bombs, the better

[Kodoss]

Or you drop 4x AB-70 (AB-70-5 = 50 SD-1 or AB 70-D-1 = 23 SD-2 each) out of the ETC-50 rack.

[OutOnTheOP]

Meh. I have a hard time getting behind yet more goodies for the Kurfurst, when the Mustang is still so lackluster.

 

Besides, it's not like the German A/C are the only ones missing significant portions of their available weaponry. Where are the 20lb frag clusters for the Mustang? Or napalm? Or even, for that matter, proper API ammunition in the guns?

[Kurfürst]

Some of this ordnance, i.e. cluster bombs is also usable for the 190D and the Me 262. I suppose the same can be said about missing Mustang ordance, which could be re-used for the upcoming P-47.

 

At least the iconic gunpods are essential for the 109K though. At a practically full product price for a module, I'd say having complete ordance (especially with the shortcuts with the 3 planes that could use them) is not an unreasonable request.

[Buzzles]

It will be quite fun when the 109 and 190 get their extra goodies, will certainly expand what can be done with them on the mission front.

 

Will be nice being able to set up somewhat decent escort missions to support ground pounders (or be supported if you want to do the pounding).

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

It will be quite fun when the 109 and 190 get their extra goodies, will certainly expand what can be done with them on the mission front.

 

Will be nice being able to set up somewhat decent escort missions to support ground pounders (or be supported if you want to do the pounding).

 

 

LOL pound, help pound or be pounded......

[Nerd1000]

Some of this ordnance, i.e. cluster bombs is also usable for the 190D and the Me 262. I suppose the same can be said about missing Mustang ordance, which could be re-used for the upcoming P-47.

 

At least the iconic gunpods are essential for the 109K though. At a practically full product price for a module, I'd say having complete ordance (especially with the shortcuts with the 3 planes that could use them) is not an unreasonable request.

 

The MG151/20 guns also already exist in-game for the Dora, though the 190's synchronized guns might fire slightly slower than those in the 109's pods (I doubt that would be hard to fix if it is the case).

 

That said, I can't imagine them being much use under most circumstances. The 30mm cannon is already lethal against bombers (wasn't 2-3 rounds normally sufficient for a B-17?), and the pods add extra drag that is unwelcome when dealing with smaller aircraft. An expanded bomb load would be more interesting IMO.

 

On that topic, was fighter-bomber a common job for the 109? I would have thought that the 190s would have been more popular for that task given their more resilient construction and low altitude performance.

[Kurfürst]

On that topic, was fighter-bomber a common job for the 109? I would have thought that the 190s would have been more popular for that task given their more resilient construction and low altitude performance.

 

In March - April 1945 and also during Bodenplatte 109K units flew a lot of ground attack/strafing missions against advancing American troop coloumns in Bavaria - I suppose largely because the circumstances by that time allowed for little more than hit and run raids - while on the Eastern Front our guys (RHAF 101st Puma) did the same. I am not sure how much they relied on bombs for this, but the sorties were definietely unpopular. Damage was done, but it was a dangerious task and with the wars ends, it seemed very much of a pointless sacrifice.

 

So it did remained a thing - 109s were one of the first 'Jabo' equipped fighters in WW2 - despite the prominence of Fw 190Fs in dedicated Schlachtflieger units.