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Something eastern, 4th-gen, and M2000 similar: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=185206

 

Similar to mirage 2000? looks more like something like the F5 with those wings ( its not even a delta winged aircraft).

 

entered service fairly recently only in 2007, and Its Chinese- Pakistani developed aircraft, and oFC in particular the Chines ether very known to be a transparent nation valuing freedom of information flow , very open and willing to share info especially on their modern military aircraft avionics.

 

I wonder just how much guesswork this module will require, cant help but have reservations on this due the seeming to lack of any Manual or technical data available publicly.


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Su 25TM

F 16 C

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Plenty of strike options in DCS. Needs a high fidelity Air superiority platform. OK a gen 4+ multi-mission fighter bomber. Single seat or AI WSO.

F-16C/D/E Blocks 50, 52,60 with Sniper pod and IRST as per UAE block 60.

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Mitsubishi F.2

Chengdu J-10 PLA Air Force

 

If strike is what market demands. SIGH! Try something interesting

SEPECAT Jaguar.

Lockheed Martin A-4R Fighting Hawk of Argentine AF and Naval Aviation.

Xian JH-7 Flounder Chinese PLAN Naval Aviation

 

Unusual aircraft from 1960's and 1970's

YAK-28. Bicycle landing gear with outriggers.

Sud Aviation Vautour.

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In RL, every tactical aircraft have their own Mission Planning systems, as part of acquisition.

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Russian BVR figther...

Yup... Now that is what we really need! >:[

 

Seriously there are NO full fidelity Russian BVR aircraft in the game! :(

 

Though the RAZBAM MiG-23 got denied for unspecified reasons... We might still have hope that it means it is in development secretly by someone else (let the tinfoil hat land on my head!)! :D

 

You could in the mean time develop an Su-15 or MiG-25... But I think the Su-15 would be less classified. :)

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We got only one western full fidelity BVR aircraft (for the moment ;)).

 

And the Mig-21 can do BVR : if you shot a R-3R at night in the cloud, you can't see your target visualy. That is how BVR work right ? :D

 

But I agree.

Yeah... There is only the M-2000c... But it still doesn't have a proper opponent. :(

 

I don't think that that would be considered a BVR situation... More of a limited visibility one... But yeah, good point! :D

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Don't play on words !!:lol:

Oh I'm gonna! >:]

 

But on a more serious and tinfoil hat induced note... MiG-23 (A-A version plez!) hype!!! :D

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Though the Su-15 would be nice too! And of course the MiG-25/31... That is if you can get sufficient documentation on them without running into classification issues... :D

 

But somewhat historically accurately I'l stay fighting modern jets in the MiG-21bis for now. :)

 

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AMX should be a good choice...

...and make a pleasure to Italian folks here too:megalol:

AMX is near end of life in Italy, so documentation is not impossible to find for reference.

 

Italian_Air_Force_AMX_fighter.jpg

Italian AMX has been involved in all recent theaters:

-Yugoslavia

-Afghanistan

-Lybia

-Kuwait

Moreover they are employed in a lot of international exercise like Red Flag, Spring Flag, Maple Flag, TLP

 

 


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Yeah... There is only the M-2000c... But it still doesn't have a proper opponent. :(

 

I don't think that that would be considered a BVR situation... More of a limited visibility one... But yeah, good point! :D

 

M2000c does have proper opponents, 4th generation era fighters in general, though its probably more comparable to a smaller/lighter fighters such as Mig29 or F16. Can fight the Mig29A/G and even the S ( without its R77s) on a comparable footing.

 

These other 4th gen aircraft atm may be FC3 but it still counts.


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M2000c does have proper opponents, 4th generation era fighters in general, though its probably more comparable to a smaller/lighter fighters such as Mig29 or F16. Can fight the Mig29A/G and even the S ( without its R77s) on a comparable footing.

 

These other 4th gen aircraft atm may be FC3 but it still counts.

I wouldn't count them as proper opponents... Now that is where our definitions are different. In my definition a proper opponent is a playable full fidelity module, so FC3 just doesn't cut it for me... :(

 

I know... I have been a bit spoiled by awesome modules like the MiG-21bis, M-2000c, AJS-37, and KA-50. ;)

 

And as for the "atm" part... I sadly don't see them getting a full fidelity module any time soon... :(

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I wouldn't count them as proper opponents... Now that is where our definitions are different. In my definition a proper opponent is a playable full fidelity module, so FC3 just doesn't cut it for me... :(

 

I know... I have been a bit spoiled by awesome modules like the MiG-21bis, M-2000c, AJS-37, and KA-50. ;)

 

And as for the "atm" part... I sadly don't see them getting a full fidelity module any time soon... :(

 

they do count as long as the flight models are PFM/ASM , weapons and avionics simulation is still high fidelity. Even ED on a official statement said the M2000 was a natural 4th generation opponent but specifically would be most comparable A/C flyable in DCS would be to the Mig29 in capabilities. Remember this is also not counting the greater amount of AI aircraft that you can be pited against ( even quite a bit of MP server still throw in some AI opponents, which is nice in instances where there are less live players)

 

If it were not for FC3 it would be quite an empty game in A2A. and i think thats why ED included it within DCS. Its also a nice starter for people who are getting into FLight simming, less daunting than starting from something full fidelity, and having to deal with all the switches. It sure was for me before i moved on to modules. Its also why for ED or 3rd party has had relatively low priority to Full fidelity versions of FC3 aircraft. It was better to create a entirely new aircrafts first than start with remaking FC3 into full fidelity.

 

Theres a reason why FC3 are the most played anyhow in MP servers. They are simply offer the most capable aircraft for a2a, perhaps these numbers will go down once we get full fidelity versions of FC3, along with a proper mulirole fighter like the F/A18C currently in development from ED.

 

 

realistically i wouldn't get your hopes up for any full fidelity Russian fighter more modern than the Mig29A/S or the Su27S. ED tried to get a Su27SM and Mig29SMT project underway but that ended somewhere long the lines due to trouble with gathering enough information and also not wanting to breach Russia's strict laws ( given that ED are headquartered in Russia).

 

so sadly unless laws change and/or more aircraft become declassifed, Team REd will not for the forseeable future have quite have a proper mulirole Russian fighter with a glass pit OR PGM's like the F/A18C, or a more capable glass pit air frame for A2A.


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they do count as long as the flight models are PFM/ASM , weapons and avionics simulation is still high fidelity. Even ED on a official statement said the M2000 was a natural 4th generation opponent but specifically would be most comparable A/C flyable in DCS would be to the Mig29 in capabilities. Remember this is also not counting the greater amount of AI aircraft that you can be pited against ( even quite a bit of MP server still throw in some AI opponents, which is nice in instances where there are less live players)

 

If it were not for FC3 it would be quite an empty game in A2A. and i think thats why ED included it within DCS. Its also a nice starter for people who are getting into FLight simming, less daunting than starting from something full fidelity, and having to deal with all the switches. It sure was for me before i moved on to modules. Its also why for ED or 3rd party has had relatively low priority to Full fidelity versions of FC3 aircraft. It was better to create a entirely new aircrafts first than start with remaking FC3 into full fidelity.

 

Theres a reason why FC3 are the most played anyhow in MP servers. They are simply offer the most capable aircraft for a2a, perhaps these numbers will go down once we get full fidelity versions of FC3, along with a proper mulirole fighter like the F/A18C currently in development from ED.

 

 

realistically i wouldn't get your hopes up for any full fidelity Russian fighter more modern than the Mig29A/S or the Su27S. ED tried to get a Su27SM and Mig29SMT project underway but that ended somewhere long the lines due to trouble with gathering enough information and also not wanting to breach Russia's strict laws ( given that ED are headquartered in Russia).

 

so sadly unless laws change and/or more aircraft become declassifed, Team REd will not for the forseeable future have quite have a proper mulirole Russian fighter with a glass pit OR PGM's like the F/A18C, or a more capable glass pit air frame for A2A.

Again, that is where we have different definitions. :)

 

Yes, I do think the MP servers would be a lot less A-A heavy if FC3 aircraft were to just magically disappear. But we already have a competent full fidelity multi-role fighter in game. The M-2000c is (in my experience) more than capable of winning in A-A against an FC3 aircraft.

 

In SP you can shoot down fully equipped M-2000c's in the MiG-21bis in a fair fight with no masking. Against the F-15c it's pretty much the same.

 

So I would be happy to get something like the MiG-23 or Su-15. Would allow for a bit more options than just sneaking or evading till' a merge.

 

I know... I am a probably focusing way too little on the actual practicality of an aircraft in MP. But you gotta say... Shooting down a Mirage in a MiG-21bis does feel awesome! :D

 

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Is there an official definition of "proper opponent" that I am missing out on? If so... I feel stupid! :P


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Again, that is where we have different definitions. :)

 

Yes, I do think the MP servers would be a lot less A-A heavy if FC3 aircraft were to just magically disappear. But we already have a competent full fidelity multi-role fighter in game. The M-2000c is (in my experience) more than capable of winning in A-A against an FC3 aircraft.

 

In SP you can shoot down fully equipped M-2000c's in the MiG-21bis in a fair fight with no masking. Against the F-15c it's pretty much the same.

 

So I would be happy to get something like the MiG-23 or Su-15. Would allow for a bit more options than just sneaking or evading till' a merge.

 

I know... I am a probably focusing way too little on the actual practicality of an aircraft in MP. But you gotta say... Shooting down a Mirage in a MiG-21bis does feel awesome! :D

 

*EDIT*

 

Is there an official definition of "proper opponent" that I am missing out on? If so... I feel stupid! :P

 

see the m2000c isnt quite a a true multirole fighter however. Yes it can drop unguided bombs with CCIP and CCRP modes and or shoot off some rockets, but its independent strike capacity ends there, whiilst for GBU it needs external laser source.

 

IT can't self employ Precision guided munitions, it doesnt have targeting pods (pilot relies on "mk1 eyeball") thus it cant target or employ munitions from high altitudes safer from ground to air threats, it cant conduct SEAD( needs anti radiation missiles), it doesnt have a anti shipping role ( nothing like the Harpoon missile) it doesn't have Multi function displays/ glass pit.

 

Hence why the F/A18C will be ( the first) proper Multi role aircraft in DCS, It will be able to do a vast array of versatile functions M2000C can't, in a addition to being better in a2a due to having AMrams as well as ED giving us a more modern iteration with Aim9X and helmet mounted hud for off bore sight engagements. after all M2000C it realistically more of a 4th gen Fighter, that happens to have secondary ground strike capabilities which are mostly oriented around unguided weaponry and at that its a earlier 4th gen fighter.


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