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I was reading in the Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide and there I saw that the Su-27 (no version included) Flanker could carry the following weapons:

One 30mm GSH-30-2 Cannon

R-27 Alamo AAM

R-33 Amos AAM

R-60 Aphid AAM

R-73 Archer AAM

 

bombs;rockets and external fuel tanks....

 

So is it legal, to carry the R-33 in Lomac?

 

What is your oppinion?

 

For the fanatics:

Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide 2005

ISBN: 0-00-718329-1

Page: 174

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It has been debated to death serveral times and quoted as wrong info.

Only the Mig-31 can carry it.

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I was reading in the Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide and there I saw that the Su-27 (no version included) Flanker could carry the following weapons:

One 30mm GSH-30-2 Cannon

R-27 Alamo AAM

R-33 Amos AAM

R-60 Aphid AAM

R-73 Archer AAM

 

bombs;rockets and external fuel tanks....

 

So is it legal, to carry the R-33 in Lomac?

 

What is your oppinion?

 

For the fanatics:

Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide 2005

ISBN: 0-00-718329-1

Page: 174

 

What Pilotasso said - Janes got it wrong :) .

 

The R-33 has the same relation to the "Zashlon" radar complex of the MiG-31 as the AIM-54 has to the AWG-9 of the F-14 :) .

 

It is often the case that a particular missile is designed for use with a particular radar complex.

 

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"Zashlon"

It's Zaslon, not Zashlon.;)

Is that some kind of sickness? Fishben... Zashlon...:)

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well...i thought lets post it haha, normaly jane's has the edge on militaire intel and so on....so this time they have it wrong or we don't know all the details....lets contact sukhoi?:lol:

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The R-33 is actually not that great as a missile, give me an R-27ER any day.

The R-37 on the other hand, well......... if was compatable with the N001 radar..........

 

Then again the mIg-31's AESA radar might have a mighty lock on grip. It will scare everybody at long BVR ranges. When the missiles are airborne it would take a hero to turn itno them to get some off himself.

 

And the R-33's antenna is HUGE compared to that of the R-27.

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Then again the mIg-31's AESA radar might have a mighty lock on grip. It will scare everybody at long BVR ranges. When the missiles are airborne it would take a hero to turn itno them to get some off himself.

 

And the R-33's antenna is HUGE compared to that of the R-27.

 

Since when did the MiG-31/M come equipped with an AESA radar?

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Can we get an update about this 7-year old thread? Can we finally have the Wympel R-33 "Amos" in FC3 ? ;) Would be awesome! :)

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Can we get an update about this 7-year old thread? Can we finally have the Wympel R-33 "Amos" in FC3 ? ;) Would be awesome! :)

 

The game already has it. And you can manually add it to any aircraft if you wish. And are able to use it in air to air combat. But you are still required to respect server rules.

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I was reading in the Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide and there I saw that the Su-27 (no version included) Flanker could carry the following weapons:

One 30mm GSH-30-2 Cannon

R-27 Alamo AAM

R-33 Amos AAM

R-60 Aphid AAM

R-73 Archer AAM

 

bombs;rockets and external fuel tanks....

 

So is it legal, to carry the R-33 in Lomac?

 

What is your oppinion?

 

For the fanatics:

Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide 2005

ISBN: 0-00-718329-1

Page: 174

 

To be more specific, during Su-27 development (early '80s) integration of R-33 was initially planned but final product N001 radar was uncapable of supporting it...back in the day the only "thing" in Soviet inventory that could run R-33 was N007 - Zaslon that was (finally) introduced in 1983 but it's 110cm antenna was too big for Flanker nosecone...

 

So the only AC equipped with R-33 is Mig-31.

 

 

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To be more specific, during Su-27 development (early '80s) integration of R-33 was initially planned but final product N001 radar was uncapable of supporting it back in the day the only "thing" in Soviet inventory that could run R-33 was N007 - Zaslon that was (finally) introduced in 1983 but it's 110cm antenna was too big for Flanker nosecone...

 

Antenna size is down to the aircraft in which it needs to fit and a smaller version could probably have been made for the Su-27. I think it had more to do with the size/weight of the radar as such - the Zaslon is very heavy(IIRC about twice the weight of the N001), which may not be a problem for a dedicated interceptor like the MiG-31, but less feasible/practical for an air-dominance fighter like the Su-27.

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Yea, the Russians could have done so much more back in the day with the airframes if only the money did not run out..

 

Development of the Su-27 took place in the late 70'ies/early 80'ies - i.e. during the height of the cold war, where funding wasn't a problem. That the Su-27 got the N001(really an upscaled version of the MiG-29's N019) and not a phased array set like the Zaslon was down to technical issues at the time rather than economic ones.

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