mattebubben Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I think it's great we're finally getting a supersonic strike aircraft for DCS and if they do actually include a new theater then that's great as well. I'd probably be more interested in the theater than the Viggen itself though. My problem with the Viggen is it's a jet that's never actually been used in combat and has no place outside a fictional conflict between Sweden and Russia. A strike jet like the Tornado would have been a much better choice in my personal opinion. It's flown by multiple countries around the world, has been used in several real world conflicts and easily fits into any modern theater or scenario. These jets have to compete for my time to learn them and for that reason the Viggen is out for me. Just not enough interest in learning that air frame for me to devote the time. I think something like a Jaguar, Mig-27 or Su-22 (Su-17) would be more likley then a Tornado and would all be very interesting even though i love the viggen id probably say that something like a Su-22m4 would have been better overall since it fits the game better. But the Viggen is gonna be awsome even if slightly out of place in the current theaters. What will be the most out of place is having AJS-37s on both sides in MP battles =P. Since while it would be in the realm of plausabillity to have sweden send aircraft overseas to partake in an action (supporting nato) it will be weird to have it on both sides since it was never exported. But then again that thing alreay exists with the A-10. Maby we will get something like this xD. Id rather see them make some ficticious export skins instead of a "ussr skin" Some skins that are atleast Semi-Plausible. Since when sweden retired the AJS-37s in year 2000 they could have kept on going but sweden was downsizing (way to much) So its plausibe (and maby we should have) that some of the Used AJ-37s could have been sold. So they could make some Fictional skins to show such a "alternate" timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit648 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Why so many negative attitude? LNS does not owe you a thing? Viggen is their choice and choice I very much love! IF you don't like move on. Did you all miss the many many hints to the viggen be the choice? How this plane not have place in DCS world? It blows things up on ground and air, that is only requirement! It also would have been a important jet in cold war scenarios to LNS- I hope in future you will consider NOT doing surprise release, as many seem to get wrong expectations then dissapointment, which takes away from those who are happy! No more secret plane! When did I state that LNS owes me something? I understand how much time and effort goes into these modules and I support LNS in producing the Viggen if that's their choice. Any new jets and theaters coming to DCS is a good thing. I personally am not that interested in the jet. However, If they release a cold war scenario/theater that includes the F-14B then I'll be all over that. :smilewink: PC Hardware: Asus Maximus XIII Hero / i9-10900K / 64 GB DDR4 3600 MHz / NVIDIA RTX 3090 FE / Samsung 960 NVMe / LG OLED48CX / Reverb G2 Flight Controls: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog / VKB T-RUDDER MKIV / Cougar MFD Set DCS Modules: F-14 Tomcat / F/A-18C Hornet / AV-8B NA / F-5E Tiger II / A-10C Warthog / F-16C Viper / UH-1 Huey / LOFC3 / Spitfire LF Mk. IX / P-51D Mustang / WWII Assets Pack / Normandy 1944 / NTTR Map / Persian Gulf Map / Syria Map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custard Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) So they could make some Fictional skins to show such a "alternate" timeline. Ah yes, the infamous MiG-26 Edited December 7, 2015 by Custard [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'll so need a Rainbow Dash skin for this plane as soon as we'll have it... 'tis probably the most appropriate plane named Thunderbolt for a fast wonderbolt :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0x1s Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Cant wait for it. Especially with a Swedish east coast theater, using anti ship missiles against Soviet landing crafts, basically what the AJ-37 was made for I will finally be able to buy a DCS plane that exist where I come from. I thought this day would never come :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoflSeal Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Pretty sure a AJ37 Viggen got a maneuver kill on a soviet jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEPR 12 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 I think something like a Jaguar, Mig-27 or Su-22 (Su-17) would be more likley then a Tornado and would all be very interesting even though i love the viggen id probably say that something like a Su-22m4 would have been better overall since it fits the game better. But the Viggen is gonna be awsome even if slightly out of place in the current theaters. What will be the most out of place is having AJS-37s on both sides in MP battles =P. Since while it would be in the realm of plausabillity to have sweden send aircraft overseas to partake in an action (supporting nato) it will be weird to have it on both sides since it was never exported. But then again that thing alreay exists with the A-10. Maby we will get something like this xD. Id rather see them make some ficticious export skins instead of a "ussr skin" Some skins that are atleast Semi-Plausible. Since when sweden retired the AJS-37s in year 2000 they could have kept on going but sweden was downsizing (way to much) So its plausibe (and maby we should have) that some of the Used AJ-37s could have been sold. So they could make some Fictional skins to show such a "alternate" timeline. But we do already have all craft on both sides on many server, and even WW2 and Korea with modern jet! Viggen will be great addition to multiplayer, and will do strike role with less vunarbility than such planes as A-10, SU 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'll so need a Rainbow Dash skin for this plane as soon as we'll have it... 'tis probably the most appropriate plane named Thunderbolt for a fast wonderbolt :) Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattebubben Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Pretty sure a AJ37 Viggen got a maneuver kill on a soviet jet There where multiple incidents where Soviet aircraft hit the water while jockeying with swedish aircraft. both with the Viggen and the J-35 Draken. There where Plenty of encounters between swedish and Soviet in international water. And numerous losses from aircraft hitting the water. Ive heard multiple stories including from pilots (a child Hood Friend of my father was a Viggen pilot and he has some stories to tell) He has one story of an encounter with a Mig-23 that ended with the Mig entering a stall and hitting the waves (no chute his guess was the pilot blacked out as they where manuvering pretty hard) so that could be considerd a manuver kill. Its probably difficult to know the exact number of nature of incidents that occured during the cold war since most of it was pretty hush hush. Edited December 7, 2015 by mattebubben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 What's wrong with your faaaaace. Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred00 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 This is amazing news to me. The Viggen will be a day one purchase for sure, and together with a new theater this could very well be the best package yet in DCS. I'm especially excited because the Mig-21 has set the bar so high (both cockpit wise and an amazing flight model). This will be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyre Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Ah yes, the infamous MiG-26 Viggen looks rather fetching in that scheme. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEPR 12 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryIKILLYOU Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'll so need a Rainbow Dash skin for this plane as soon as we'll have it... 'tis probably the most appropriate plane named Thunderbolt for a fast wonderbolt :) mmmmmmmmmmkay 1 My Specs:Win 10 Pro 64bit/ i7 6770K 4.5Ghz/32GB DDR4/ GTX 1070 SC/Samsung SSD Warthog Stick/TWCS Throttle/TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEPR 12 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Lol reactions so funny I can't wait until devs actually announce so we can ask question like Razbam has with M2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelthunder Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I can't say that i'm surprised by the announcements with all the hints by LN.But having the Viggen in DCS will be like having a luxurious foreign sportscar like a Aston Martin or Bugatti.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayo2017 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'll so need a Rainbow Dash skin for this plane as soon as we'll have it... 'tis probably the most appropriate plane named Thunderbolt for a fast wonderbolt :) You and my wife, good lord, I can't escape it. :megalol: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think it's great we're finally getting a supersonic strike aircraft for DCS and if they do actually include a new theater then that's great as well. I'd probably be more interested in the theater than the Viggen itself though. My problem with the Viggen is it's a jet that's never actually been used in combat and has no place outside a fictional conflict between Sweden and Russia. A strike jet like the Tornado would have been a much better choice in my personal opinion. It's flown by multiple countries around the world, has been used in several real world conflicts and easily fits into any modern theater or scenario. These jets have to compete for my time to learn them and for that reason the Viggen is out for me. Just not enough interest in learning that air frame for me to devote the time. A fictional conflict between Sweden and Russia involving the Viggen? Well the F14 scenarios will be fictional as well. It didn't see any real conflict with Russia either. The scenarios have to be fictional. But that doesn't bother you. Let me place a bet here. You won't buy the mod at first. You will watch YouTube videos over and over again and you ll see reviews praising LNS for their work and you end up buying :) that's my bet :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerd1000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 You and my wife, good lord, I can't escape it. :megalol: My brother has that bug too. I fear that it may be contagious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 +1. Another random jet that has no place in any existing or planned theaters. I think it's great someone is finally developing a strike aircraft but this was a strange choice indeed. That would be true for any other dev, but when you buy a LNS module you'll also get; - a proper map that comes with the module - fitting period AI units that comes with the module - campaign set in the new theater with the module So there is no need to worry that it won't fit, cause it will. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Hrothgar Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A fictional conflict between Sweden and Russia involving the Viggen? Well the F14 scenarios will be fictional as well. It didn't see any real conflict with Russia either. The scenarios have to be fictional. But that doesn't bother you. Let me place a bet here. You won't buy the mod at first. You will watch YouTube videos over and over again and you ll see reviews praising LNS for their work and you end up buying :) that's my bet :) F-14 scenarios don't have to be fictional. It fought an 8 year long symmetric air war against a mix of Soviet and French equipment in the 1980's. It just wasn't USN pilots doing the fighting.;) It also served in a defensive role during the 1991 Gulf War. Admittedly it didn't see much action there, but it was present in substantial numbers. As for the Viggen, it's selling point will be youtube I think. It's too obscure of an aircraft to have mass appeal no matter how vocal people here are. With that said, I think I'm more likely to buy the Viggen than the F-14. I'm not a fan of two seat fighters and the Viggen has some interesting capabilities from a team death match standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 You and my wife, good lord, I can't escape it. :megalol: Why would you want to? My brother has that bug too. I fear that it may be contagious... It's not a bug it's a feature BTW just took the Viggen for a ride... we definately need a new sim and thanks to LNS we'll finally get that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Please tell me you're a girl Eldur :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm afraid there are no girls in the DCS community :D Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Hope someone can create a post with as many info as possible for the AJS-37. Capabilities, weapons (in its NATO name not in swedish names please) and pics If possible. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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