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For dumb Munitions i think those are it.

 

The heaviest warhead the viggen had (other then Anti-Ship missiles)

 

Was the RB-05A wich had a 160kg Warhead with a delayed impact fuse.

 

So it was the option when it came to hardend structures / bunkers.

 

But also the swedish cold war doctrine was all based of defense.

 

So the airforce would operate in defense of sweden against an attacker.

 

And 500-1000kg bombs did not suit that role since any targets would be vehicles or personnel on the offensive and mostly in open country or forests.

 

We never had a Need or desire of a large bomb capable of flattening a city block.

 

Instead it was decided to use lighter bombs and guided Munitions.

 

Actually in the planning/development period (early-mid 60s)

 

it was both decided it did not need a cannon since that kind of stuff was obsolete :doh: (just like with the F-4...)

They even stated they did not want Dumb Bombs all together.

 

But later on with the work around the hud it was realised that the hud/computer systems could make unguided bombs much more accurate then what was possible on earlier aircraft and as such that capabillity was added (gun was sadly still left out...)

 

 

Il be very interested when it comes to the weapon selection for the AJS-37 =) what weapons will be included.

 

Considering the amount of stuff avalible for the Mig-21 my guess is pretty much everything will be included.

 

(including the 2 different types of AGM-65s sweden used hopefully)

Thank you for your answer. It does bring a new perspective on how the plane was designed.

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..Il be very interested when it comes to the weapon selection for the AJS-37 =) what weapons will be included.

 

So am I and mostly regarding Rb 75T (AGM-65A with a heavier blast warhead like the 65-series got later with G-version).

AFAIK missiles etc. are part of DCS World and as such in the hands of ED - can LS create one themselves?

(for balance I still think missiles should be controlled by ED)

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So it's a viggen afterall huh.. damn that's insanely dissapointing

 

For you perhaps.

 

But for alot of other ppl its not.

 

And im sure the viggen will grow on you as more info is release.

 

I have been looking forward to any Fastmoving Strike aircraft with guided munition so anything in that area would have made me overjoyed be it an A-7 a Jaguar a Su-22 or a Mig-27 and since it just so happend to be one of my favorite aircraft ever i wont complain.

 

I would probably have prefed a Su-22M4 (Su-17M4) since it would probably fit better but i wont complain and im overjoyed over the Viggen.

 

And there are alot of ppl who at first where sceptical over the Mig-21 but are now avid fans im confident the viggen will do the same.

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Yeah, I for one cant wait for it.

Im a commited Hog pilot, most of the time I wont fly anything else. That will however change when the Viggen appears.


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I will get the Viggen for sure (probably Pre-Order it) but im not sure i will get the F-14 and i wont get the F4U since im not much for the DCS ww2 theatre

(i have other games for ww2)

 

Im really hyped about the viggen =).

 

Im a fan of Single engine aircraft and not the Big brutes like the F-14 F-15 and Su-27.

 

And as such the Mirage 2000 and when it comes the Viggen will probably be my go to aircraft for a good while =).

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Thank you for your answer. It does bring a new perspective on how the plane was designed.

 

Should note that the airframe was designed as an interceptor, but the air force needed a new attack plane in the 60's, so the first version got these ground attack systems that mattebubben described.


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Should note that it was designed as an interceptor, but the air force needed a new attack plane in the 60's, so the first version got these ground attack systems that mattebubben described.

 

 

Yea the airframe etc was designed to be suitable both for a Strike aircraft and a Interceptor aircraft.

 

But since the systems that made the JA-37 viggen such a good fighter / interceptor (Doppler radar, Datalink ,Radar guided missiles) where all absent from the attack variant.

 

And while they could have had both a Fighter and an Attack variant from day one there was no direct need for a new fighter in the mid-late 60s since the J-35 Draken was just as capable as anything the russians had at that point and russian fighters where deemed to have to short range to escort strike aircraft deep into sweden and still have the fuel for combat.

 

And as such any Russian strike aircraft would have to be unescorted for some parts of their missions (much like the Problem germany had over britain)

 

And the J-35 Was more then enough to stop mig-21s Strikers Or Bombers

 

It was also a fact that a Fighter Viggen in 1970 would have been much less capable then the fighter viggen that enterd service in 1980.

 

So since there was no urgent need for the fighter and sweden did not have the budget to make one Fighter variant only to be forced to replace or upgrade it in 10-15 years due to being obsolete.

 

This balance Changed in the mid 70s when the Su-24 and Mig-23 appeared.

 

When they appeared there was finaly a need for the fighter variant and the fighter variant was orderd into more focused development / production.

 

And since Most of the Plans / systems for the Fighter variant had already been planned out and developed the development time for the fighter variant was not to long.

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So it's a viggen afterall huh.. damn that's insanely dissapointing

 

+1. Another random jet that has no place in any existing or planned theaters. I think it's great someone is finally developing a strike aircraft but this was a strange choice indeed.

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+1. Another random jet that has no place in any existing or planned theaters. I think it's great someone is finally developing a strike aircraft but this was a strange choice indeed.

 

Out of curiosity, what airframe SHOULD they've done then?

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+1. Another random jet that has no place in any existing or planned theaters. I think it's great someone is finally developing a strike aircraft but this was a strange choice indeed.

There is a theater planned for the Viggen.

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+1. Another random jet that has no place in any existing or planned theaters. I think it's great someone is finally developing a strike aircraft but this was a strange choice indeed.

 

Not really.

 

First of all Cobra is from Sweden and thus probably got access to it(is quite easy to get access to Viggens these days here)

 

Second we will get a theatre where it fits and my guess would be eastern Sweden(Gotland) or northern Sweden where all the Nordic countries meets and a little bit of Russia(many road bases in Sweden here btw) and an invasion would make sense

 

Third, there will probably be more russian jets to come who fit in together with the Viggen(many existing already do)

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+1. Another random jet that has no place in any existing or planned theaters. I think it's great someone is finally developing a strike aircraft but this was a strange choice indeed.

I wouldn't call this "random"

 

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  • First aircraft with ground mapping radar.
  • First aircraft with anti-ship missile capability.
  • First aircraft with stand-off weaponry, if BK-90 is included.
  • First aircraft with STOL capability.
  • "Fast & Low" design philosophy, built to perform well on low altitude.

 

LN has stated before that a theater will be included, map, AI etc.:smilewink:

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I wouldn't call this "random"

 

* First dedicated supersonic strike aircraft.

  • First supersonic maverick user.
  • First aircraft with ground mapping radar.
  • First aircraft with anti-ship missile capability.
  • First aircraft with stand-off weaponry, if BK-90 is included.
  • First aircraft with STOL capability.
  • "Fast & Low" design philosophy, built to perform well on low altitude.
  • First military jet with a onboard computer that used integrated circuits
  • First aircraft equipped with a turbofan engine with thrust reverser

 

LN has stated before that a theater will be included, map, AI etc.:smilewink:

 

I added a few items to your list. :thumbup:

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To add to what's been said, it's not "random" at all. At times during the cold war, Sweden's airforce was the fourth most powerful in the world, and Sweden's been designing world-class aircraft since the 40's. Just because you don't know that much about something (which is fine!), doesn't make it "random".

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+1. Another random jet that has no place in any existing or planned theaters. I think it's great someone is finally developing a strike aircraft but this was a strange choice indeed.

 

I understand people looking at the smaller picture right now, how does it fit into what we have right now, but honestly I am pretty open-minded when it comes to these things, I didnt really know much of anything about this jet before all this, I knew the shape, and little bits of info, but nothing serious... but the more I hear the more it interests me. And who knows what plans LNS might have down the road for it. Who knows, maybe it will become clearer when its actually announced.. or maybe they just like this jet... I am ok with that approach as well.

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Why so many negative attitude? LNS does not owe you a thing? Viggen is their choice and choice I very much love! IF you don't like move on. Did you all miss the many many hints to the viggen be the choice?

 

How this plane not have place in DCS world? It blows things up on ground and air, that is only requirement! It also would have been a important jet in cold war scenarios

 

to LNS- I hope in future you will consider NOT doing surprise release, as many seem to get wrong expectations then dissapointment, which takes away from those who are happy! No more secret plane!


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I've always loved the Viggen...was a big poster plane in the 80s! I'll buy it just to have a fast moving capable ground attack aircraft. Hopefully this is a Xmas release :).

 

Not interested in the F4U...love the plane just not into flying WW2(but I also realize a lot of people are). But the Viggen and Tomcat are big time buys for me!

 

A big thanks to LNS for their work! Now please show us some official stuff and blow us away with the release date in two weeks:)

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I wouldn't call this "random"

 

* First dedicated supersonic strike aircraft.

  • First supersonic maverick user.
  • First aircraft with ground mapping radar.
  • First aircraft with anti-ship missile capability.
  • First aircraft with stand-off weaponry, if BK-90 is included.
  • First aircraft with STOL capability.
  • "Fast & Low" design philosophy, built to perform well on low altitude.

 

LN has stated before that a theater will be included, map, AI etc.:smilewink:

 

I think it's great we're finally getting a supersonic strike aircraft for DCS and if they do actually include a new theater then that's great as well. I'd probably be more interested in the theater than the Viggen itself though. My problem with the Viggen is it's a jet that's never actually been used in combat and has no place outside a fictional conflict between Sweden and Russia.

 

A strike jet like the Tornado would have been a much better choice in my personal opinion. It's flown by multiple countries around the world, has been used in several real world conflicts and easily fits into any modern theater or scenario. These jets have to compete for my time to learn them and for that reason the Viggen is out for me. Just not enough interest in learning that air frame for me to devote the time.

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