AV-8B Harrier Thread

[Pocket Sized]

I've tried ground firing sidewinders from the A-10. Even if I'm sitting on the tail, the missile hits the ground in front if me (which is questionable imo, the missile should have plenty of thrust to climb from that position)

 

But the problem with firing them from a hover is the lack of control authority. The Harrier's unstable hovering characteristics means you have to keep pitch and roll near zero, and yaw response is very sluggish. If you pitch up to get tone on a bandit, by the time you get the missile off you will be entering an uncontrollable backflip...

[DoomEngine]

This is fantastic- reminds me of my days with MWSS-271 and 272 :pilotfly:

[Jugdriver]

Yeah, but it still wouldn't have had a chance in dogfight training against the F-5Es from the USAF aggressors, and the F-15, in the first place.

 

Actually the original SHAR scored an impressive "Kill" ratio in training against both.

The F-15 had only AIM-7 Sparrows at that time (1980ies), though.

 

Now if you upgrade a highly maneuverable subsonic fighter jet that can easily hold its own against a highly maneuverable F-5E, beat F-15s, to BVR capabilities, that sounds a good idea to me...

 

And before someone goes ballistic about it, this is from "Mr. Sea Harriers" book, who did participate in the training...

Read from page 49 last paragraph

 

https://books.google.de/books?id=Dt7RAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=sea+harrier+against+f-5&source=bl&ots=E8yWW_XS9T&sig=-m98ssynypDwYeDuYxBI6tPlHHM&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiroPv19JvTAhWHzRQKHYJ9Dq0Q6AEITzAM#v=onepage&q=sea%20harrier%20against%20f-5&f=false

:smilewink:

 

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I will be surprised if ED are able to simulate the "hide the jet exhaust trick" Mr. Sea Harriers talks about, but I hope they can. I get the impression from that book the Harrier is going to be very dangerous in a knife fight.

 

JD

AKA_MattE

[shagrat]

I will be surprised if ED are able to simulate the "hide the jet exhaust trick" Mr. Sea Harriers talks about, but I hope they can. I get the impression from that book the Harrier is going to be very dangerous in a knife fight.

 

JD

AKA_MattE

Yep, small but deadly...

 

Ok, the AV-8B is not the Sea Harrier, but it is as nimble and has the same tricks up his sleeves.

Only you miss the A-A radar.

[ESAc_matador]

We are suposed to get the another module in the future... I hope so!!!

[frixon28]

So with hovering in combat, I am guessing that sadly our version of the Harrier won't be able to hover around and shoot and fire in real, pratical, combat. Using True Lies starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, I will provide evidence for my case that it can in fact with pictures!

 

Sorry for blurriness but as we can see our talented Harrier Pilot is using his AIM-9's to pick up his enemy's, a clever trick that only a talented Marine Pilot would think of! I am sure RAZBAM is working with ED to implement this combat tactic. This tactic can be used to pick up targets for interrogation or as we can see below, to effectively eliminate enemy's. Evidence in the 2 pictures below.

We can also use the Harrier for saving shot down pilots on CSAR missions or new DCS humanitarian missions (which can be implemented in the Huey and Mi-8 also). Notice how in the scenes documenting the AV-8B how it can pick up the refugee's all over the aircraft!

Finally we can see how we are able to drop off the hostages (hidden on the other side of the wing you know) to local police/military units for their safety.

It's important to notice that the AV-8B is carrying a very light payload. With my case proven, I have only one question remaining. Will these abilities be implemented in Beta or only in the full release (specifically shooting enemy's off with the Sidewinder to their demise)? I understand that it would be hard to detail all the hostages hanging off your nose too, but RAZBAM I got faith in you!

[Tread_Head57]

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Don't forget to say "you're fired" every time you launch a Sidewinder.

[The Black Swan]

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This guy knows his stuff ^

[Zeus67]

So with hovering in combat, I am guessing that sadly our version of the Harrier won't be able to hover around and shoot and fire in real, pratical, combat. Using True Lies starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, I will provide evidence for my case that it can in fact with pictures!

 

Sorry for blurriness but as we can see our talented Harrier Pilot is using his AIM-9's to pick up his enemy's, a clever trick that only a talented Marine Pilot would think of! I am sure RAZBAM is working with ED to implement this combat tactic. This tactic can be used to pick up targets for interrogation or as we can see below, to effectively eliminate enemy's. Evidence in the 2 pictures below.

We can also use the Harrier for saving shot down pilots on CSAR missions or new DCS humanitarian missions (which can be implemented in the Huey and Mi-8 also). Notice how in the scenes documenting the AV-8B how it can pick up the refugee's all over the aircraft!

Finally we can see how we are able to drop off the hostages (hidden on the other side of the wing you know) to local police/military units for their safety.

It's important to notice that the AV-8B is carrying a very light payload. With my case proven, I have only one question remaining. Will these abilities be implemented in Beta or only in the full release (specifically shooting enemy's off with the Sidewinder to their demise)? I understand that it would be hard to detail all the hostages hanging off your nose too, but RAZBAM I got faith in you!

 

Sorry, that´s the Day Attack version. So no hovering around cranes for you.

[Wizard_03]

Can we at least have Arnold as our 3D pilot model??

[frixon28]

Sorry, that´s the Day Attack version. So no hovering around cranes for you.

 

Darn and +1 for the Arnold Pilot model eventually!

[Schmidtfire]

+1 for the Arnold pilot :)

[TomOnSteam]

We might have to wait for ragdoll and skeletal animations in DCS 2.5 before we can attach bad guys to our aim-9's

 

EDIT: +1 for Arnold pilot and for the Huey as well like in 'The Running Man'

[Conroy]

A good "special" skin:

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/3/3b/Stemma_GRUPAER.jpg

 

Edited April 13, 2017 by Conroy

[Harry.R]

It's not advisable to carry small children on the nose, apart from covering the flir and vane they tend to fod the engine when they whistle down the intake.

[frixon28]

It's not advisable to carry small children on the nose, apart from covering the flir and vane they tend to fod the engine when they whistle down the intake.

 

True True, you need to carry someone around at least 100lb and 5ft to avoid the possibility of FOD. Fortunately they can ride on the wings or Arnolds Lap

[36Toro]

Belle Conroy.

Simulare la nostra Marina Militare sarà uno spettacolo

[Conroy]

Belle Conroy.

Simulare la nostra Marina Militare sarà uno spettacolo

 

Sì, direi di sì! Sei passato ai tubi da stufa definitivamente alla fine.

Sono Veltro del 150GCT.:smilewink:

 

Bello il Mirage ma questo AV8B promette davvero bene, concordo!

[36Toro]

Ah cavolo,ciao Veltro.

Io ormai ho abbandonato definivamente IL-2 e volo con il Mirage fisso;-)

[Vitormouraa]

Why are you guys speakig Italian, you guys have your own Italian forum, this is the english forum...

[36Toro]

Thanks,funny guys.

[jojo]

Probably to prove the Italian school system is as bad in teaching foreign languages as everyone thinks it is. :D

 

I dare to disagree, usually in my job the Italians I have to speak to are efficient in French :thumbup:

 

:lol:

[shagrat]

I dare to disagree, usually in my job the Italians I have to speak to are efficient in French

 

*LMAO*

[Kev2go]

Um, you are aware that most multi role fighters can't reach 2.0 and even 1.5 Mach is a struggle for them? We're not in the 50's, top speed is not a design priority any more. Manoeuvring combat still takes place in the subsonic range, where Harrier is a very agile opponent, with thrust-to-weight ratio comparable to bigger fighters with afterburners.

 

Sure, a harrier can't fit a radar from F-15, but neither can F-16, F-18 or F-35 for that matter. As I understand it, making an A2A platform from a Harrier was never a top priority for the Marines, hence they installed the radar units that were easily available.

 

and subsonic Maneuvering combat is not really as relevant In an era of Helemt hud, and off boresight Missiles that aren't fooled by flares ( its not ww2) that is if a merge occurs, the fight will be over pretty quick. BVR engagements are more prevalent anyhow.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

I wasn't talking about the future and comparing it to F-22 Air Superiority fighters or F-35 (if they ever get to the UK).

I talked about the SHAR Fa.2 of the 90ies/early 2010s period, where it got BVR capabilities and could already defend proper against fighters of that time.

Yes the F-15 could definitely run away before it gets shot down, but that is what a fleet defence fighter is supposed to do! Scare the enemy away from the carriers...

 

Currently the UK has nowt, no SHAR, no F-35? ...ok, they don't have carriers either, more or less.

 

I personally find the SHAR a very capable and underestimated multirole fighter, that could be interesting in the COIN and dissimilar combat scenarios, while being available and proven technology. On top it was one of the best dogfighters in the world judging its records.

With the AMRAAM the superior knife-fighter, got a class A sniper rifle on top. :)

 

It is definitely nothing like an "A-10C" with radar and AIM-120... not in the slightest.

 

um the Uk is a joint strike fighter Program investor/partner. Plus They also actually put up orders for the F35. The F35B can actually be deployed from LHD or helicopter carriers due to VTOL capability.

 

In any case new carriers constructions have been well underway since 2014. = Its a sure thing they will enter service. 2-3 years is not far away.

 

https://www.f35.com/global/participation/united-kingdom

Edited April 13, 2017 by Kev2go