Shadow_1stVFW Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 AV-8B 4 Centerline Pylon 86 lb 3/5 Inboard Pylon 143 lb 2/6 Intermediate Pylon 131 lb 1/7 Outboard Pylon 96 lb 1A/7A Outrigger Pylon 68.5 lb Very cool information. Thank you. I've only ever seen a few pictures of US Harriers with the LAU-7s on outrigger stations, though the Brits seem to use them alot on the GR9s. Learn something new every day. Thanks Ramsay. -Shadow Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKBLx_Viper_6354 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 We have been getting a lot more harrier tid bits and we should be close to an early access release right? ... right? ETA on release ? Nov, Dec? Ugh the twitching is back! withdrawal symptoms nooooo [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] If it doesn't work how it should, give it a good HARD smack. 100% fixed every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 You will get no pre-announcements regarding release dates because there is always the possibility of a delay and the developers are not happy getting flak off people with no patience. The only announcement you can expect is immediately before it is put on pre-sale. It is no longer policy to make forecasts because there is always the possibility of the dates slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addde Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 It is no longer policy to make forecasts because there is always the possibility of the dates slipping. Thats an ED policy i think. Razbam said it will be out in Q3, altho it seems it might be abit delayed ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Thats an ED policy i think. Razbam said it will be out in Q3, altho it seems it might be abit delayed ^^ Indeed. If there is going to be a delay I expect information on the subject this week... as said several times already, ED has held pre-orders for at least a month before all releases. So by extension, if we do not get a pre-order announcement in the short term future, we are not getting a module within the next month. ... unless Razbam and ED are planning on a shorter pre-order... or even no pre-order at all. Though given the previous behaviour I do not hold this likely. I assume Razbam knows all this very well... that said, the only reason for the silence at the moment to me indicates they are completely occupied trying to make the estimated deadline, and because of that, they still cannot say if Q3 will still be met or not.... To me personally it seems odd not to announce a delay if completion is uncertain, as the point of pre-orders with DCS is that you know when the product will be available.... if you do not know when it is available -> delay until you know. I am very interested to see todays patchnotes and this weekend's newsletter. Regards, MikeMikeJuliet Edited September 6, 2017 by MikeMikeJuliet DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Possibly waiting for next Big DCS World update? DCS 2.5? Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazingTrigger Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Possibly waiting for next Big DCS World update? DCS 2.5?No they won't wait that long, no updates on the Q3 release but we'll find out soon I'm sure. ED have been very quiet on the matter. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 No they won't wait that long, no updates on the Q3 release but we'll find out soon I'm sure. ED have been very quiet on the matter. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk That might be the silence before the storm :) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 AV-8B 4 Centerline Pylon 86 lb 3/5 Inboard Pylon 143 lb 2/6 Intermediate Pylon 131 lb 1/7 Outboard Pylon 96 lb 1A/7A Outrigger Pylon 68.5 lb Aren't the 1A/7A Outrigger Pylons used only on British Harriers? Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 The av-8 can use them. on ma mobile The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I guess I stand corrected. The Gazelle apparently was released with no pre-purchase period (?)... Which means that as long as september is still hot we have a chance to get the Harrier on Q3. The more you know... DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazingTrigger Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I guess I stand corrected. The Gazelle apparently was released with no pre-purchase period (?)... Which means that as long as september is still hot we have a chance to get the Harrier on Q3. The more you know...Well that's reignited the flame of hope! All things are crossed! The hype from the PR alone has a lot of the community probably going to buy on release! Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Aren't the 1A/7A Outrigger Pylons used only on British Harriers? AFAIK yes - but I'm scratching my head as, despite what the pylon text says, the AV-8B loadout and release timing diagrams only make use of the 7 pylons. When I saw the 9 pylon diagram, I thought "what's that British Harrier doing in this American AV-8B manual" but the Outrigger pylons are there, complete with diagram and specs, even if there isn't a loadout in the manual that makes use of them. Hence why I posted the diagram and text, as it went against what I was expecting. My guess from the text is, the AV-8B night attack version had the capability but the Outrigger configuration was never/rarely used. Source: Page 931, AV-8 TACTICAL MANUAL Vol II, NWP 3-22.5-AV8B (A1-AV8BB-TAC-050) i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry.R Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Our outrigger pylons were AIM-9 stations iirc.. Edited September 6, 2017 by Harry.R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 AFAIK yes - but I'm scratching my head as, despite what the pylon text says, the AV-8B loadout and release timing diagrams only make use of the 7 pylons. When I saw the 9 pylon diagram, I thought "what's that British Harrier doing in this American AV-8B manual" but the Outrigger pylons are there, complete with diagram and specs, even if there isn't a loadout in the manual that makes use of them. Hence why I posted the diagram and text, as it went against what I was expecting. My guess from the text is, the AV-8B night attack version had the capability but the Outrigger configuration was never/rarely used. Source: Page 931, AV-8 TACTICAL MANUAL Vol II, NWP 3-22.5-AV8B (A1-AV8BB-TAC-050) I'm just reading Osprey Combat Aircraft Series books on AV-8Bs in the Gulf Wars (Desert Shield/Desert Storm and OIF I-IV). They actually had the AIM-9 for "self defense" loaded, but due to the realities they downloaded them in favor of more/heavier armament... At least that was a comment I read. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunctator Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Yes, but they carried the AIM-9 on the outboard pylons of each wing, not on the outrigger pylons. I read both books too recently. There isn't a single photo or comment mentioning outrigger pylons as carried by the British Harrier IIs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Osprey Combat Aircraft no. 99 OIF I-IV Page 77, VMA-211 Det A. Ahhh, I get it. My mistake... The British put another "pylon" on the outrigger for the wheels. :doh: Yep never seen that on a AV-8 either. Btw, how does this work, when the wheel is extended? Edited September 6, 2017 by shagrat Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Btw, how does this work, when the wheel is extended? Note: the image is labelled as a AV-8B but is more likely a GR-7 ? i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Note: the image is labelled as a AV-8B but is more likely a GR-7 ? Ah, Ok. They are low enough to let the wheel extend behind it. This is definitely a British Harrier (likely a GR7) only British Harriers have the distinctive "tusks" (I guess they are part of the MWS or similar?). Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyre Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 The "tusks" are a part of the Zeus self protection jammer. Also, the UK Harriers had special outrigger doors fitted to protect them against the Sidewinder rocket plume. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_1stVFW Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Yes, but they carried the AIM-9 on the outboard pylons of each wing, not on the outrigger pylons. I read both books too recently. There isn't a single photo or comment mentioning outrigger pylons as carried by the British Harrier IIs. I would beg to differ. It's pretty hard to find a photo of a Gr9 without the outriggers rigged Source: Google Search: "AV-8 Gr9" Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_1stVFW Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Maybe it's a Gr7. I don't know the difference, never took the time to learn about the British Harriers -Shadow Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Oh for a GR7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowler111 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 The outrigger sidewinder rail is available in both Harriers, AV-8B/GR´s , it´s a design feature used by UK only (Spain and Italy don´t use it as well, mainly because they are based on the US AV-8B) the same way US opted for the GAU-12 gun pod while UK kept the ADEN twin set (which at the end they couldn´t use since the expended cartridges kept bumping on the fuselage). Same design, same features, different views on how to use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Tigre. Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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