[CLOSED, UNHELPFUL BICKERING] M2000C so far...

[Greekbull]

General comment to Razbam and Zeus, I want to say a big thank you for releasing this and making this a Merrier Christmas:). The overwhelming majority of us aren't concerned at all about any missing functions or bugs...because we realize it's a Beta and would much rather have something to fly now than wait for a totally finished product!

 

This wasn't in response to general reporting of bugs of course because that's helpful. But I can't believe people are mad at the condition of a Beta or comparing it to products that have been out for quite some time:D

 

Have a very Merry Christmas!

Edited December 25, 2015 by Greekbull

[QuiGon]

I also want to thank you RAZBAM for this christmas present :thumbup:

 

I'm having much fun with this bird and learning how to operate it. Of course there are still problems and many missing functions, but that's why it's called a beta. :)

[Cann0nF0dd3r]

Nice module, but I have a few questions...

 

 

 

• Gear lever seems not animated
  

 

Serveral button assignments doesn´t seem to work, like:

 

• Flaps up/down (Assigned Buttons, F, Lsh+F, LCtrl+F does nothing)
  
• Gear up/down (G toggles, Assigned Buttons, Lsh+G, LCtrl+F does nothing)
  
• Airbrake on/off. (B toggles, Assigned Buttons, Lsh+B, LCtrl+B does nothing)
  
• Throttle Left/Right entries in control assignment ???
  
• I have assigned buttons and axis to my CH-Fighter stick, CH-Pedals and CH-Thottle quadrant.
  

 

 

FinnJ

 

AFAIK the M2000 being a pure delta has no flaps, I think I remember Wags mentioning that in his video a while back.

 

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[Kev2go]

any guides for this yet?

 

For me Figuring how to start-up and get the aircraft into the air was easy enough ( surprisingly simple to figure out for a 4th gen plane) , as well as getting radar and hud running np easy.

 

though not sure how to lock on with SA missiles. I dknt know what the different radar modes do.

 

Doesnt seem to detect targets or be able to lock on to shoot off the SA 530 missile.

 

Also is it me or do the IR Magic missiles really loose speed fast.

Edited December 25, 2015 by Kev2go

[Zeus67]

any guides for this yet?

 

For me Figuring how to start-up and get the aircraft into the air was easy enough, as well as getting radar and hud running np easy.

 

though not sure how to lock on with SA missiles. I dknt know what the different radar modes do.

 

Doesnt seem to detect targets or be able to lock on to shoot off the SA 530 missle.

 

Please read the manual. I spent five days, writing at least 6 hours per day so that you could have the answers to most of your questions.

 

\Mods\Aircrafts\M-2000c\Docs

[yahya786]

Please read the manual. I spent five days, writing at least 6 hours per day so that you could have the answers to most of your questions.

 

\Mods\Aircrafts\M-2000c\Docs

 

I think Zeus just said RTFM. LOL. (He has a good point).

[QuiGon]

Please read the manual. I spent five days, writing at least 6 hours per day so that you could have the answers to most of your questions.

 

\Mods\Aircrafts\M-2000c\Docs

 

And it helped me a LOT! I don't know how I could have done it without. Thank you very much for your effort :thumbup:

[Kev2go]

Please read the manual. I spent five days, writing at least 6 hours per day so that you could have the answers to most of your questions.

 

\Mods\Aircrafts\M-2000c\Docs

 

I think Zeus just said RTFM. LOL. (He has a good point).

 

 

Oh well gee.

 

I didnt know there was a manual available. I heard that upon intial release it wouldnt be available. at least not in english.

 

I did not see any pdfs online on the dcs site. There was no info saying I would have to dig into the aircrafts folder installation files to find it.

 

If i had known i would not have made my earlier post asking the community if there was some sort of quickstart or a general guide.

Edited December 25, 2015 by Kev2go

[Simon1279]

views.lua. The last entry, index 13. I wish I can tell you which of the entries there but with my PC busted I can't. So you will have to experiment a little.

 

 

Hello, i find this one more compfortable, just give it a try :thumbup:

I've remade the whole script

 

the file must go into your \Mods\Aircrafts\M-2000c make sure to make a backup of the existing one before to insert this one attached in this post

 

greetings

Views.rar

Edited December 26, 2015 by Simon1279

[PondLife]

+1 there is work left on the inputs, beta and so all.

 

Don't bother with the flaps, no such thing on the M-2000 ;)

 

slats thought, if I'm not mistaken

[Zeus67]

slats thought, if I'm not mistaken

 

Slats are automatic and they retract when wheels are down anyway.

[PondLife]

From Wikipedia:

 

 

 

Definitely not this case. I am also not very happy with the flight model, both with or without FBW. Nothing to compare to the A-10C or Mig-21.

 

Well, lesson learnt. Next time I wait for a post-release sale.

 

Yes you are correct, Beta should really be feature complete, a lot of people in the software industry misuse the term Beta release nowadays ;} It should be an Alpha if it's its not fully featured.

[Zeus67]

Yes you are correct, Beta should really be feature complete, a lot of people in the software industry misuse the term Beta release nowadays ;} It should be an Alpha if it's its not fully featured.

 

I think you are confusing beta with release candidate. Beta not necessarily is feature complete. Beta is for bug and stability test. And many features can be dropped or new ones included at this stage. From a software development perspective.

 

A release candidate is feature complete and almost bug free. All features are locked and no major changes expected nor wanted.

[mattbx]

Please read the manual. I spent five days, writing at least 6 hours per day so that you could have the answers to most of your questions.

 

\Mods\Aircrafts\M-2000c\Docs

 

And much appreciated it is too!! thanks for m2000c, its really a very nice plane and i for one am having a blast flying it

[fastfreddie]

Jesus ... cut them a break. Do you guys really want 3rd parties delaying products until they are finished or getting you a flyable plane with most features? They probably pushed this out for the holidays knowing its missing some stuff. So far I'm pretty pleased and congratulate Razbam for their work so far.

[Rlaxoxo]

I think you are confusing beta with release candidate. Beta not necessarily is feature complete. Beta is for bug and stability test. And many features can be dropped or new ones included at this stage. From a software development perspective.

 

A release candidate is feature complete and almost bug free. All features are locked and no major changes expected nor wanted.

 

Just ignore people who comment these things, they think they know stuff then complain about said stuff cus they're grumpy.

 

Best way to deal with them is just ignore them I know it's tempting to start arguing but it's pointless

[Invictus84]

Very pleased here, Zeus. Having a blast with the beta so far. Don't worry about he skuds....haters gonna hate. ;-)

 

It looks like no instrument exports available yet (unless I haven't RTFM enough yet to find it...hehehehe). Not a big deal either....I figured as much given the fact this is a beta.

[jimcarrel]

It's taken me all day to find a way to get this thing (without a working Module Manager) and I'll be darned if I'm gonna complain that it is a beta.

 

It's a real smart Christmas release! I'll happily take it, bugs and all. It's an early preview of whats to come. Same as with all the other Betas.

 

Thank you Razbam.

[PondLife]

I think you are confusing beta with release candidate. Beta not necessarily is feature complete. Beta is for bug and stability test. And many features can be dropped or new ones included at this stage. From a software development perspective.

 

A release candidate is feature complete and almost bug free. All features are locked and no major changes expected nor wanted.

 

No not really, I would't like to work where you do if you're saying that Beta's are feature incomplete..... really depends on you're definition, and as I said, it'd being stretched. Beta's are for users to pickup edge case bugs that QA and test did not discover and sometimes to add constructive comments to the usability of an application. Beta's are not some kind of rapid prototyping replacement or Alpha releases which is feature incomplete.

 

Believe me I know....

[VincentLaw]

Yes you are correct, Beta should really be feature complete, a lot of people in the software industry misuse the term Beta release nowadays ;} It should be an Alpha if it's its not fully featured.

You are right that a lot of people in the software industry misuse the term "Beta release" nowadays. The way I learned it in class: Alpha means internal testers only. Beta means external testers. Now what are we doing with 2.0? I guess people don't care what they mean anymore. It's mainly used as a disclaimer for "This might be buggy and unfinished". Some companies like EA just use "beta" as a catch word for "demo".

 

I don't have a problem with a beta not being feature complete. The term will mean whatever the developer wants it to mean.

Edited December 26, 2015 by VincentLaw

[PondLife]

Zeus67, I see you work for RAZBAM, don't take any of this personally, beta semantics aside the M2000C has the potential to be a great product, there are obviously some things that need sorting out out like missing features and a suspect flight model in places but I'm glad RAZBAM released it when they did. Short of having a large expensive QA team, releasing early and getting community feedback is probably the way to go, I just hope you have the resources to work through the bugs and tweaks in a timely manor. ;)

[RogueRunner]

Just ignore people who comment these things, they think they know stuff then complain about said stuff cus they're grumpy.

 

Best way to deal with them is just ignore them I know it's tempting to start arguing but it's pointless

 

Disagree! This one feels rushed to meet the xmas deadline.

[Rlaxoxo]

Disagree! This one feels rushed to meet the xmas deadline.

 

The plane was decided to be released 2 weeks ago bro

 

And I don't care that you disagree I like this plane and it will only get better from here on and meanwhile I'll enjoy the heck out of it

[howie87]

I agree that this one seems a little rushed. I think it has a lot of potential but it doesn't have the DCS fidelity feel to me at the moment.

 

I'm probably just going to uninstall it for a few months until it's in a more polished state.

[RogueRunner]

The plane was decided to be released 2 weeks ago bro

 

And I don't care that you disagree I like this plane and it will only get better from here on and meanwhile I'll enjoy the heck out of it

 

Hence the deadline. They HAD to release it in time for xmas and a lot of things did not make it into this version. Other betas did have a semi finished feel to it, this feels unfinshed and rushed. Yeah it's nice but I am surprised that ED allowed it out in this state. Like I said, that xmas deadline must have been very important for them.