LN maps

[BravoYankee4]

Well, a Viggen module without at Swedish map bundled would be like a beach party without the babes ;)

I rather pay extra for a map of high quality rather than having free maps just because there has to be a map...

[Cobra847]

I can give some insight into our current map pricing policy which will become more evident when we announce the products and bundles.

 

A few core factors drive the value we assign to our map modules.

 

Map Size (or, rather, landmass size)

 

This one is fairly straightforward; the bigger the map, the more work.

 

The more work; the higher the price. This is not an ulimited number, however, so we probably wouldn't charge more after X$ even though the map is bigger.

(Maps costing over 50-60$ might not be the best idea)

 

Commonality (or Uniqueness)

 

If you're creating a completely new environment; say arctic mountains versus tropical Pacific, you're going to have very little asset cross-over.

 

This means that you have to build many, if not all, of your assets for the map.

Each subsequent map can re-use these assets, but the initial investment has to be somewhat offset by revenue.

 

Aircraft Module Applicability

 

Aircraft modules give purpose and value to maps, and in many cases maps significantly enhance and give value to aircraft modules.

Pacific aircraft don't make much sense without the Pacific theatre.

 

Thus; this relationship where the two 'separate' modules support eachother means that bundle prices can yield maps where the price is lower.

 

Map Complexity

 

Fairly straightforward also.

Number of airbases, road density, town/city density, terrain type (some terrain types take faaar more work to do than others) and more are big manhour multipliers.

 

 

AI Aircraft, Ships, Tanks, etc. are part of the Core of DCS World -- and will be included as such. There are no plans to sell any of this kind of content, even though we are working on a lot of it.

[Farlander]

Thanks for the info.

 

Sounds good :)

[Phantom88]

Does this mean Maps will "only" be sold with the accompanying aircraft module? Thank You

[Cobra847]

Does this mean Maps will "only" be sold with the accompanying aircraft module? Thank You

 

Nope.

[Slipp]

I can give some insight into our current map pricing policy which will become more evident when we announce the products and bundles.

 

 

Thanks for clarifying.

 

Looking forward to your maps! :)

[NeilWillis]

Makes complete sense Cobra.

 

Will you consider contributing to the community by offering bone fide server hosts discounts/free licenses for the servers?

[NineLine]

Makes complete sense Cobra.

 

Will you consider contributing to the community by offering bone fide server hosts discounts/free licenses for the servers?

 

I doubt he can answer that till we see what ED delivers for dedicated server tools and any solutions there.

[Cobra847]

I doubt he can answer that till we see what ED delivers for dedicated server tools and any solutions there.

 

Makes complete sense Cobra.

 

Will you consider contributing to the community by offering bone fide server hosts discounts/free licenses for the servers?

 

 

Correct on SithSpawns' point.

 

One thing we have considered, however, is investigating running servers of our own.

Obviously when our modules are well-paired with appropriate adversaries and the appropriate theatre. (e.g. F-5E vs MiG-21, F4U-1D vs.. ;) )

[Hiromachi]

Correct on SithSpawns' point.

 

One thing we have considered, however, is investigating running servers of our own.

Obviously when our modules are well-paired with appropriate adversaries and the appropriate theatre. (e.g. F-5E vs MiG-21, F4U-1D vs.. ;) )

 

 

I see what you did there :P So there is an opponent in plans after all :pilotfly:

[Farlander]

F4U-1D vs.. ;) )

 

F4U-1D vs I-250 ofc!

[OxideMako]

Correct on SithSpawns' point.

 

One thing we have considered, however, is investigating running servers of our own.

Obviously when our modules are well-paired with appropriate adversaries and the appropriate theatre. (e.g. F-5E vs MiG-21, F4U-1D vs.. ;) )

 

Now that is an interesting thought!

[Phantom88]

Correct on SithSpawns' point.

 

One thing we have considered, however, is investigating running servers of our own.

Obviously when our modules are well-paired with appropriate adversaries and the appropriate theatre. (e.g. F-5E vs MiG-21, F4U-1D vs.. ;) )

 

Banzai!!!!

[Hiromachi]

@up

I more than approve that one :)

[Jumbik]

I think I once read somewhere here on DCS forums, that getting hand of Zero documentation is quite hard, don't know why, and that's the reason why Zero will be hard to do.

[Hiromachi]

It's not exactly hard, there are reprints of original technical drawings for all Zero models from model 21 to 52. Those also contain graphs, sketches and diagrams of related elements like engine, power curves, temperatures, etc.

 

Greater problem in fact is finding original flight manuals and most importantly wind tunnel test reports, which would help a lot with actual flight characteristics and way control surfaces work, or stability in various flight conditions.

I have for instance wind tunnel test reports carried during development of A7M Reppu, which are related to aircraft stability, flaps design or characteristics of various types of vertical stabilizer used and compared to A6M and J2M fighters.

I also have fairly interesting report on balance tabs provided for A6M2 to reduce the stick forces on aileron control.

So this things can be obtained, but are not easy to find at first and then it takes time to copy them.

 

When you look often at the discussions about other modules when people argue with YoYo, look what kind of documents they pull and how deep into details they go. Japanese were capable of all kinds of tests and they reported them, but than 1945 came and a lot of documents got burned (for example the original documents on Nakajima airfoils didn't make it) or got taken by the Allies ending either deep in the archives or in trash can.

[Akatsuki]

Correct on SithSpawns' point.

 

One thing we have considered, however, is investigating running servers of our own.

Obviously when our modules are well-paired with appropriate adversaries and the appropriate theatre. (e.g. F-5E vs MiG-21, F4U-1D vs KI-84 )

 

Fixed. :)

[BlackLion213]

I can give some insight into our current map pricing policy which will become more evident when we announce the products and bundles.

 

A few core factors drive the value we assign to our map modules.

 

Map Size (or, rather, landmass size)

 

This one is fairly straightforward; the bigger the map, the more work.

 

The more work; the higher the price. This is not an ulimited number, however, so we probably wouldn't charge more after X$ even though the map is bigger.

(Maps costing over 50-60$ might not be the best idea)

 

Commonality (or Uniqueness)

 

If you're creating a completely new environment; say arctic mountains versus tropical Pacific, you're going to have very little asset cross-over.

 

This means that you have to build many, if not all, of your assets for the map.

Each subsequent map can re-use these assets, but the initial investment has to be somewhat offset by revenue.

 

Aircraft Module Applicability

 

Aircraft modules give purpose and value to maps, and in many cases maps significantly enhance and give value to aircraft modules.

Pacific aircraft don't make much sense without the Pacific theatre.

 

Thus; this relationship where the two 'separate' modules support eachother means that bundle prices can yield maps where the price is lower.

 

Map Complexity

 

Fairly straightforward also.

Number of airbases, road density, town/city density, terrain type (some terrain types take faaar more work to do than others) and more are big manhour multipliers.

 

 

AI Aircraft, Ships, Tanks, etc. are part of the Core of DCS World -- and will be included as such. There are no plans to sell any of this kind of content, even though we are working on a lot of it.

 

Thank you for the explanation. As usual, it's very logical and nicely detailed. It sounds like there may be a nice variety of new terrains over the next few years. :)

 

AI Aircraft, Ships, Tanks, etc. are part of the Core of DCS World -- and will be included as such. There are no plans to sell any of this kind of content, even though we are working on a lot of it.

 

This last part is interesting. Certainly you could charge for these things. Would you also consider adding such AI content to things like DLC campaigns? Such items would be excellent for campaigns as well.

 

-Nick

 

PS - I love the first glimpse of the Viggen scope! I'm really looking forward to that module. :thumbup:

Edited January 6, 2016 by BlackLion213

[Hiromachi]

Fixed. :)

 

Found something you may like than :)

[Akatsuki]

Thank you. :)

 

Even though i'd prefer a A6M i think a KI-84 fits more with a F4U-1D.

 

Anyway, back on topic...

[MegOhm_SD]

Really don't know how what is not yet seen can be judged on unknown pricing or content.

I'll take them all. Give me the world even one piece at a time.

 

That is how they will come. I'd rather spend on my hobby which rewards me in many ways. Otherwise, I'd whiz it away on superfluous things.

 

Bring them on, I'm a customer for the devs be it 3rd party or ED.

[Jumbik]

I was thinkink a bit. I will always have to buy a module with map or either i will not be able to play the single player campaign linked to it right (i suppose the campaigns will be always on new maps and not in Georgia)? Well that kinda sorts things out. Maps will be available separately for those who do not want the aircraft but should be included by default with the module or else I will cut myself from the single player element... Or not? Am I missing something?

[chev255]

I agree with you and would assume (or should I say hope?) that the map will be included with the aircraft

[Toten]

Pretty sure LNS said all aircraft will come with any necessary maps included.

[VincentLaw]

AI Aircraft, Ships, Tanks, etc. are part of the Core of DCS World -- and will be included as such. There are no plans to sell any of this kind of content, even though we are working on a lot of it.

This is excellent news, and alleviates one of my concerns about unit compatibility between maps and in multiplayer.