Radar can see missiles?

[BadHabit]

Had a training sortie with mig vs AI mig-31 when they fired missiles r-40 & r-33 , I broke defensive. Then I saw what seemed to be the 1st contacts illumination as a dash(- IFF) multiple times as I was notching him. The I rolled out and was surprised to see that the other contacts where the missiles fired at me also IFF ed..

[blkspade]

Had a training sortie with mig vs AI mig-31 when they fired missiles r-40 & r-33 , I broke defensive. Then I saw what seemed to be the 1st contacts illumination as a dash(- IFF) multiple times as I was notching him. The I rolled out and was surprised to see that the other contacts where the missiles fired at me also IFF ed..

 

Its news to me that air to air missiles are showing up on radar (I speculated to the probability that this should happen a really long time ago). I have seen various A-G and SAM show up on radar though. I don't think they IFF though, they just all show up as enemy contacts. I just realized that this is the MiG-21 you're referring to. I have seen the described behavior in the F-15.

[SilentGun]

It may just be for the long range missiles like the r-33 or the AIM-54 because I have been able to target long range anti-ship missiles before.

 

 

 

 

-SilentGun

[Tarres]

If the RP-22 can see a missile (maybe except the gargantuan KH-20 and similars), this is a bug.

[blkspade]

The KH-58 ARM showing up on radar is what gave the idea that missiles like the R-33 and AIM-54 could likely show up as well.

[Tarres]

@blkspade.

If you can detect a Kh-58 then It's a bug. The RP-22 can't detect a missile with their technology. Too fast and very little CRS to detect it.

 

You can detect for example a Kh-20 that is more or less a MiG-21 in size and weight, but nothing else.

[BadHabit]

If none can confirm this I will try to replicate and then post a track file

[Toybasher]

I remember reading somewhere MiG-21 pilots were told to fire the radar missiles first so the radar wouldn't see the IR missiles and get confused or something.

 

Not sure where I read that, and it might have been the other way around (Fire heatseekers first, otherwise if you fire SARH then heatseekers the heatseekers might lock onto the flames from the radar missiles)

[mattebubben]

I remember reading somewhere MiG-21 pilots were told to fire the radar missiles first so the radar wouldn't see the IR missiles and get confused or something.

 

Not sure where I read that, and it might have been the other way around (Fire heatseekers first, otherwise if you fire SARH then heatseekers the heatseekers might lock onto the flames from the radar missiles)

 

yea ur right that its the other way around.

 

They would always fire the IR missiles first so it would not end up tracking the Radar missile instead of the target.

[BadHabit]

I ll try and see if I can lock and shoot the m down :D

[blkspade]

@blkspade.

If you can detect a Kh-58 then It's a bug. The RP-22 can't detect a missile with their technology. Too fast and very little CRS to detect it.

 

You can detect for example a Kh-20 that is more or less a MiG-21 in size and weight, but nothing else.

 

Yeah I was talking about them showing up on the Eagle's AN/APG-63 radar. It wouldn't surprise that Mig-21 wouldn't/shouldn't have such detection capability.

[GGTharos]

It's a big missile but I think it is sitting detection parameters. Think of it as intercepting a mach 3foxbat but with smaller rcs.

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

The IFF enemy symbol is given to any radar contact who doesn't transmit the 'friendly' IFF code. I don't think missile have any IFF transponders on board. So that should be an explanation for it.

 

In theory it is possible a missile shows up, even on the MiG-21 radar. But what's the point of that? You should allready be aware that you are being locked up, or even, be shot at.

[BadHabit]

If I can track and shoot down a missile I see a point

[Ktulu2]

You can already do that with the aim-9 and maybe other IR missiles. You should be guiding your own missile instead of using your radar to find his.

[BadHabit]

You can already do that with the aim-9 and maybe other IR missiles. You should be guiding your own missile instead of using your radar to find his.

 

Also the groms after launch was even able to shoot them down

[blkspade]

I ll try and see if I can lock and shoot the m down :D

 

Given the detection/engagement range of the MiG-21's radar, it would be rather moot. However given that there have been debates about how an enemy missile launch would be detected IRL, what if the only way to differentiate between lock and launch is actually picking the launch up on radar?