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On 5/3/2022 at 12:42 AM, Lt_Jaeger said:

Had the same problem, you need to register with shapeway and lock into your account then

 

I registered.  So not seeing it.  What am I missing? 

Hmm saw it on Chrome at home but not at work or on my phone.  Nice!


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On 5/3/2022 at 6:38 AM, lunaticfringe said:

Absolutely superb, Sooner.  Many thanks.  If you ever put a tip jar somewhere for this work, please link it here.

And for those wondering if they can do this in a basic printer volume: remove the back panel (by deleting the wire support bodies) and you can fit both panels in the basic volume of an Ender 3.

 

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Very cool LASooner

thank you bro !!!

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On 5/2/2022 at 10:40 PM, LASooner said:

You're a frigging super hero!!! Thanks!

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Heya Dude,

So the side panels are 5 3/4 inch as is standard in all US fighters. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mycockpit.org/tutorials/Panelbuildingfocussedondimensions.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi9o-fyt-b3AhXGR2wGHTVsBvIQFnoECAgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3TrxgSDhX2sLG6QfvqwKVW

This doc is really good as a reference. 

I'll dig the page number up in a bit,but quite a few of us have released models and references of the front cockpit and seat.

If you need anything else let me know. 

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Not sure if any of you need images of the F-14 throttle quadrant, but here is ours.  I'm one of the maintainers of F-14 BUNO:161426 at the Deland Naval Air Station Museum.  I can provide pictures of our aircraft as needed and upon request.  Unfortunately our canopy has been sealed by the Navy, so our throttle quadrant is the only cockpit item I can provide pictures of without looking through the canopy.  I'm at the museum most every saturday.  

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5 hours ago, 75th ORD EOD Cheesecake said:

Unfortunately our canopy has been sealed by the Navy...

That's like a cake behind glass torture!


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7 hours ago, 75th ORD EOD Cheesecake said:

Not sure if any of you need images of the F-14 throttle quadrant, but here is ours.  I'm one of the maintainers of F-14 BUNO:161426 at the Deland Naval Air Station Museum.  I can provide pictures of our aircraft as needed and upon request.  Unfortunately our canopy has been sealed by the Navy, so our throttle quadrant is the only cockpit item I can provide pictures of without looking through the canopy.  I'm at the museum most every saturday.  

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Hope you dont mind me asking, do they do that so they dont have to trash the cockpit removing all items that might be useful to Iran?

 

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6 hours ago, stuart666 said:

Hope you dont mind me asking, do they do that so they dont have to trash the cockpit removing all items that might be useful to Iran?

 

I think the ITAR requirement gets a little overstated sometimes. Items directly in the cockpit are essentially repeaters for the real little black boxes that are in the avionics bays. If Iran wanted to send spies to steal the backup attitude indicator from a museum it would feel like a pretty poor use of resources on their part.

 

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Well, to answer the common question, the Navy handles their displays differently than the other branches.  Our aircraft and the others like it are still wholly owned by the Navy and they have some weird mandates they want to enforce.   The impulse carts and Underseat Rocket Motor Pack (called us-rump) are removed from the seats, the survival kit is emptied, and the TID and RWR displays are pulled.  The displays are pulled because the navy considers them sensitive items, and because Iran still has their airframes, they likely won’t ever be returned to us.  I’ve always found that a little silly as there are HD LCD screens that are available commercially that can display the same stuff better than original equipment.  Most display tomcats never get their Martin bakers reinstalled as certifying the seats as inert is a pain in the backside, and often they will vanish into the night. Luckily we had ours certified inert and they remain where they should be, in the jet.  The Navy sealed our canopy in 2008 shortly after an incident where someone had acquired a M61 and was attempting to get the museum to buy it. NCIS got involved, pointed a bunch of guns at the old Vietnam vets that were there and a week later they bolted the canopy shut with a 3x5 inch steel plate.  She requires a significant amount of attention and love, as Florida is not kind to her. Embry Riddle has a group of students that spend time keeping her clean and manufacture various items for us.  They are currently manufacturing dummy AIM-9Ls for the jet.  Next semester they will be starting on AIM-7s.  I’ll post some other pictures here shortly.  Again, if anyone wants pics of specific things, I am at the museum on saturdays. 

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16 hours ago, 75th ORD EOD Cheesecake said:

The start of the AIM-9 build. 

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I've seen a lot of y'alls work on the Tomcat Assn FB group, glad to see you here!

I'd love to get down and see both the Deland and Valiant Tomcats some day, got a friend out that way so what better excuse? I need to crawl around them and get some panel and reference photos as I've got some thoughts to check out on the engine nacelle differences between the A and B vs the D that was also scanned in making the DCS module. Technically I have 5 Tomcats in 3-5 hour driving distance but you guys seem to work really hard on that one and I'd love to see her.

One thing on the engine nacelles, I've seen these little "trap door" looking  ports or access holes. Look to be only on the left side of the engine, but some pics it looks like there's 2, sometimes just 1.

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With all the new bindings, what would be a good potentiometer for the emergency wing sweep axis?  If not also something with push and pull the handle it.  There's no way to actually do spider gear and have that synchronize with DCS is there? 

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Doesn't really need to be Tomcat accurate, either as I'd be looking at add something around the Virpil throttle.  Thinking more flat than curved, etc. Contemplating a larger thing to wrap around both sides if not also the front so I can do a wing flap lever on the outside. 

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Any Normal Pot will have more than enough travel for the wing sweep. So any basic 10K pot. 

There is 100% a way to have it behave EXACTLY like the real thing, but that's going to involve having it be driven by a motor running off DCS BIOS. And for easy packaging using a Hall sensor to see rotation angle of the handle. You can make the motor cutout when you lift the lever. But as for positive re-engagement, you're basically going to be building the exact mechanism. Or put up with it just being driven back to it's set position when you push it back down and the motor cuts back in. 

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I've had similar thoughts about the auto throttle, if a mechanism similar to force feedback was added, connecting a motor with a belt drive to the throttles - and something like DCS BIOS could output the current position. In principle at least I think you could push through the motor to drive the throttle to a new position when in manual, but for the auto throttle if you went hands off the belt and motor could drive the throttle grips just as they do in the real jet.

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6 hours ago, AH_Solid_Snake said:

I've had similar thoughts about the auto throttle, if a mechanism similar to force feedback was added, connecting a motor with a belt drive to the throttles - and something like DCS BIOS could output the current position. In principle at least I think you could push through the motor to drive the throttle to a new position when in manual, but for the auto throttle if you went hands off the belt and motor could drive the throttle grips just as they do in the real jet.

Yes although just direct drive or a simple gear train can work. You can either use a motor with a hall sensor, or a separate hall sensor or potentiometer that feeds back to the motor control. 

If you look at the Authentikit builds you can basically replace the damper with an output gear connected to a small stepper motor. If you’re real slick with driver code you can even get the stepper to act like a damper when you’re not in auto throttle.

Heck depending on how heavy your throw is, you could just use one of those hella big servos they use in giant R/C planes. There’s off the shelf servo driver boards for both Arduino and Pi. And servos work PWM not analog so that saves overhead.


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On 4/26/2022 at 11:13 AM, winghunter said:

Here are my PDF files for printing the panels on paper. Size: A4 (Europe)

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Hey folks, I finally bit the bullet and started building this year, though not exactly an F-14 and not exactly an F-18 pit.  I'm just calling it a Horncat for now, because I fly both.

I definitely wanted the F-14 seat though, and started working from Mumbles' model from a while back, simplifying the whole pit design to make a simple VR-focused pit with some essentials like the gear and hook handles, but otherwise mostly mounting my HOTAS and pedals. 

I want to give a huge amount of thanks for that design work, by the way, it's a great layout for the whole F-14 pit.  I just wish I had that much room.

I opted to make most of the seat from timber rather than plywood, since I'm just getting used to a jigsaw, and adjusted the design to widen the base, and hopefully mount it to some car seat rails.

Base design as it is now is coming together, I'm just working out how I want to make cushions for the seat, since I'm aiming for something more comfortable than a sheet of plywood.  Currently measured out for a Winwing throttle, but I'd like to add a wingsweep handle if I can.

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Here's the altered seat design, compared with Mumbles' original file in the background:

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Current state as it exists now, with the side panels not yet attached:

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The most "finished" part of it is actually the face curtain handle.  I spent some time messing with plumbing pipe in Home Depot, and came out with an assembly that I wrapped in some stripe cable sleeve I saw recommended on another sim forum for ejection handles.  Currently attached with a simple bungee cord, I'll eventually rig it to a pull-switch to function in the sim.. once I figure out how I'm doing wiring.

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Right now, I'm just deep in the weeds of figuring out how to make a good set of functional seat cushions, and trying not to fall too deep down the upholstery rabbit hole.  Thanks all for the great inspiration here!

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hi, I am planing to make  PDCP and AFCS panels recently, and I found this post, which is amazing!

Quick question, I have seen many guys are using different kinds of toggle switches, and does anyone knows what's the correct size of the toggle switches on AFCS and PDCP panel should I look for? 

Thanks!


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