=OPS=Slider Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 Today me and my friends were testing some things with M2K. We noticed that, it doesn't matter if I'm using flares and chaffs or not, but every missile fired at me, missed me, and I was doing almost nothing, only some maneuvers. Pilot handled Gs like a boss without any problems. 9G+...NO PROBLEM! I've switched the G limiter and we tried again, but with no success, I was still immortal, no matter what they were doing I was flying how I wanted. I was flying over their airfield where was S-125 and other anti-aircraft missile launchers, no success. Something is definitely wrong because I can't believe Mirage is that good, to out maneuver every missile...
Ktulu2 Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 For this kind of bug report, you need a track, if your friends were firing magics in a dogfight, no wonder it missed! The only missile that is truly usable in dogfight in game is the R-73. The SA-3 is a SAM meant to destroy U-2s...Horrible range/low alt. capabilities. A pilot can handle about any G for 5s before G-loc, after 5s max G is around 7-8G sustained, need a track to see if its wrong. Also, its harder to over-G in with its FBW which limits you quite a lot. Besides, what you are describing is not related to immortality, but agility! I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
Bushmanni Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 Pretty much all the missiles are suddenly turning worse. We were able to dodge R-73, AIM-9M, AIM-120C, R-27ER much more easily than before. AIM-120C couldn't pull even 10G at 2.5 M at 20k feet to make the hit. It's just crazy. DCS Finland: Suomalainen DCS yhteisö -- Finnish DCS community -------------------------------------------------- SF Squadron
Sweep Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 I think the proxy fuze is gone atm. I've had a LOT of heaters miss me by 5-10 ft with this patch... Lord of Salt
=OPS=Slider Posted July 9, 2016 Author Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) 1st. How does it matter if it's agility or immortality? Agility makes me immortal...So for now it doesn't really matter how do I call it. 2nd. I didn't say a word about SA-3 3rd. I didn't say anything about firing magics in dogfight, and I was in Mirage, not my friends. 4th. In DCS pilot can blackout even with 6Gs and sometimes he can handle it without any problem, we are talking about the game, not reality. I think you have to read my post again... And here are the track files, I don't know if they are gonna help somehow. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-_O06HmG5QXQlNTS0VWTGFwNlE Edited July 9, 2016 by =OPS=Slider1709
Ktulu2 Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 1-It matters for troubleshooting, as the mirage has a tank dammage model 2-SA-3=S-125 3-I was assuming it was a decent possibility, that's what the work ''if'' stands for... 4-Never blacked out at 6G, make sure you eat something else than bananas before getting into the pit ;) I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
Sweep Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 1st. How does it matter if it's agility or immortality? Agility makes me immortal...So for now it doesn't really matter how do I call it. 2nd. I didn't say a word about SA-3 3rd. I didn't say anything about firing magics in dogfight, and I was in Mirage, not my friends. 4th. In DCS pilot can blackout even with 6Gs and sometimes he can handle it without any problem, we are talking about the game, not reality. I think you have to read my post again... And here are the track files, I don't know if they are gonna help somehow. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-_O06HmG5QXQlNTS0VWTGFwNlE For G endurance, check your onset rate, snapping above 6g gives you superbad tolerance versus say, loading at 2g a second. Consider doing G awareness turns as well before any sort of high G maneuvering. Lord of Salt
jojo Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 How is this related to Mirage if missiles are missing you ? I don't think Zeus coded some black magic to spoof missiles. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
=OPS=Slider Posted July 10, 2016 Author Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) How can you explain that EVERYONE who is firing at me a ton of missiles can't hit me, because every missile is missing me by 2-3 ft, and the funny thing is that everyone has the same problem. Whoever is flying in Mirage doesn't have much problem to dodge the missile, and you're not gonna tell, that everyone's skill magically boosted, and everybody can dodge 11 missiles. Try to do the same in F-15 or Su-27 then let me know if it was that easy like in Mirage. Now I can get banned but for sake this is hilarious, and they are gonna fix it or I'm out, because I prefer fair play flying/gaming. Now I feel only like a CHEATER. Edited July 10, 2016 by BIGNEWY 1.1 profanity
airman555 Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 I can confirm M2K is almost immortal, I have launched at least 8 missiles and other Flanker done the same. Distance 6km, R-27ER, R-27ET, R-73. None of them reached the target. After that i have changed seat and noticed that Mirage pilot can survive 10G?!? for couple seconds... and don`t know if it is real maybe that is the problem. I can understand frustration of M2000K fans, but we are trying to be as close reality as we can and I`m not sure is this actually in line with reality.
gavagai Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 How can you explain that EVERYONE who is firing at me a ton of missiles can't hit me... We can't, but that doesn't force us to accept your diagnosis. We don't know what the problem is until someone at ED or Razbam looks into it. Until then, calm down.;) P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
jojo Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 My point is to ask ED why R-73 can't follow Mirage... 1 Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Fri13 Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 My point is to ask ED why R-73 can't follow Mirage... Because R-73 is searching a Eagle.... i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
=OPS=Slider Posted July 10, 2016 Author Posted July 10, 2016 My point is to ask ED why R-73 can't follow Mirage... They can, but the problem is they can't hit him... Like every missile.
=OPS=Slider Posted July 10, 2016 Author Posted July 10, 2016 Yeah another one example of flying tank...
OxideMako Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 How can you explain that EVERYONE who is firing at me a ton of missiles can't hit me, because every missile is missing me by 2-3 ft, and the funny thing is that everyone has the same problem. Whoever is flying in Mirage doesn't have much problem to dodge the missile, and you're not gonna tell, that everyone's skill magically boosted, and everybody can dodge 11 missiles. Try to do the same in F-15 or Su-27 then let me know if it was that easy like in Mirage. Now I can get banned but for sake this is hilarious, and they are gonna fix it or I'm out, because I prefer fair play flying/gaming. Now I feel only like a CHEATER. Mirage can maneuver incredibly well and change direction in a split second, making it much easier to spoof missiles via maneuver. Also Chaff/Flare working or not is basically a dice roll in DCS. Spam enough and any missile will miss.
=OPS=Slider Posted July 10, 2016 Author Posted July 10, 2016 But the problem is I didn't use even 1 flare or chaff, and every single missile of 16 missed me. So still I think it's not normal, and it has to be fixed.
lipas70 Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Mirage now is like X-fighter. 10 G ? Why not, even 15 second. I very like this plane but not now. It is completly screwed-up. W10 64bit, i9 9900K, 64GB RAM, GTX 1070Ti, 27" FullHD monitor
sedenion Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 I don't know for online game, but in solo, my 2000 is obviously NOT immortal at ALL...
=OPS=Slider Posted July 10, 2016 Author Posted July 10, 2016 Which version are you using? In 2.0 it's ok.
sedenion Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Mirage now is like X-fighter. 10 G ? 2000 can sustain up to 12g... the FBW allow normal maximum of 9G, a 10/11G is allowed by the FBW if the pilot pull the stick very hard. How the pilot is after, is another question.
sedenion Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Which version are you using? In 2.0 it's ok. Beta 1.5.4
lipas70 Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Can someone axplain this situation. I'm on six, fires four missiles R-73, Mirage flies along a slight curve, does not release flares. No rockets fails to hit the target. W10 64bit, i9 9900K, 64GB RAM, GTX 1070Ti, 27" FullHD monitor
gavagai Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2837411#post2837411 Folks are discussing decreased missile effectiveness independently of the Mirage 2000C. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
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