sedenion Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Got it ! I finaly have a track with all PIC modes bugs... details of the timeline: - Jump in the aircraft - Lock target PID then PIC - Lose lock a first time because of weapon change [new bug, already reported] - Lock target again PID then PIC - Nothing happen... - then Snap ! lose lock, with no apparent logical reason - From this time, i want to lock again the target in PIC mode, but, i can't ! : - I lock in PID mode, then hit again "Lock Targer" : snap ! unlock (hu ?) - Again ... - Again ... - Again ... (this time i use the keyboard, suspecting my joystick) - and Again - (i verify i'am in PID mode) - and Again... - Then... finaly i lock in PID mode... I MOVE THE TDC away from target, then hit again "lock target", and i finaly go into PIC mode...M2K-radar-PIC-Bug.trk
jojo Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 What version of DCS please ? Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Rlaxoxo Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 So TL:DR? What do you think is a cause? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
sedenion Posted July 17, 2016 Author Posted July 17, 2016 What version of DCS please ? ... Beta 1.5.4 the last one...
jojo Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Ok, I think you will like my answer... It's not a bug, it's a feature ! The same with MiG 29. Sorry, I started a litlle bit far from the target, in fact at the same range as your track. But when I finally detect the target (another MiG 29), look what happens when I cycle through PRF: - MED: I detect the target - HI: the target is lost. And in fact, high PRF is not good to detect low closing velocity target, and especially in tail aspect. And your target is tail aspect, you are in HFR.MiG 29 HI - MED trarget tracking.trk Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
sedenion Posted July 17, 2016 Author Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Hahahah ! okay... We speak about : - locking a target - Lose this lock after a while and while accelerating to the target (PRF ?) - The impossibility to relock the target except in PID mode only, due to an unknow bug (and the workaround seem to be: move the TDC away frome the target) And, you give me a track, of a mig 29 (maybe because you want to prove that the so unrealistic "FC3" radar is as bad as the Mirage 2000 one), with radar spot that you don't even try to lock, switching PRF each seconds... Probably you wanted show me how the PRF act on target detection...and finaly, you say me, "high PRF is not good to detect low closing velocity target". So - ">300 kts" is a "low closing velocity" ? - All is ok, i lose lock on a target while accelerating, because of the "bad PRF" ? - And the radar can lock in PID but not in PIC because of... "bad PRF" ? Seriously ? Did you watch the track i posted ? Edited July 17, 2016 by sedenion
will- Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Hahahah ! okay... We speak about : - locking a target - Lose this lock after a while and while accelerating to the target (PRF ?) - The impossibility to relock the target except in PID mode only, due to an unknow bug (and the workaround seem to be: move the TDC away frome the target) And, you give me a track, of a mig 29 (maybe because you want to prove that the so unrealistic "FC3" radar is as bad as the Mirage 2000 one), with radar spot that you don't even try to lock, switching PRF each seconds... Probably you wanted show me how the PRF act on target detection...and finaly, you say me, "high PRF is not good to detect low closing velocity target". So - ">300 kts" is a "low closing velocity" ? - All is ok, i lose lock on a target while accelerating, because of the "bad PRF" ? - And the radar can lock in PID but not in PIC because of... "bad PRF" ? Seriously ? Did you watch the track i posted ? hes saying your in the wrong PRF mode, you need to be in MED for rear aspect lock. High PRF for far away targets, head on. Intel i9-9900K 32GB DDR4, RTX 2080tiftw3, Windows 10, 1tb 970 M2, TM Warthog, 4k 144hz HDR g-sync.
jojo Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Hahahah ! okay... We speak about : - locking a target - Lose this lock after a while and while accelerating to the target (PRF ?) - The impossibility to relock the target except in PID mode only, due to an unknow bug (and the workaround seem to be: move the TDC away frome the target) And, you give me a track, of a mig 29 (maybe because you want to prove that the so unrealistic "FC3" radar is as bad as the Mirage 2000 one), with radar spot that you don't even try to lock, switching PRF each seconds... Probably you wanted show me how the PRF act on target detection...and finaly, you say me, "high PRF is not good to detect low closing velocity target". So - ">300 kts" is a "low closing velocity" ? - All is ok, i lose lock on a target while accelerating, because of the "bad PRF" ? - And the radar can lock in PID but not in PIC because of... "bad PRF" ? Seriously ? Did you watch the track i posted ? Seriously, did you understood anything about what I said ? :doh::doh::doh: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Voodooflies Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 As far as I know, you can't get into PIC while being into a MED PRF. The S530D only works once PIC and in HI PRF. So either the RDI is really crappy, or there are still bugs running around. That said, I haven't seen the track so I don't know if he was carrying S530Ds. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
diditopgun Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Keep calm, I think everybody may be a bit wrong and analysed too fast the problem. I watch sedenion track and play it myself as a player in ME to have exactly same parameters. 1) I confirm that switching weapons do lost the lock on target. 2) Both player and target (Il-76) start at 6500ft heading 085. Radar in HFR all the time. -If I don't change my altitude staying at 6500ft as the target I will never lost lock on target in PIC. -If I fly up, I lost the lock on target when I reach about 8200ft and target is at about 20nm. It put a mountain in Il-76 background at this precise moment. It is what happen in sedenion track. If I not go higher I can lock in PIC again. -If I continue to fly higher to 10000ft I can lock in PID but I can't lock in PIC until the target go closer in range. It is what happen in sedenion track. So it's a matter of "look down/ground clutter" in PIC mode. The questions are: Why PIC is affected and not PID ? Should it be really affected ? etc...etc... 3) Looks like there is a problem with antenna vertical cursor position. My target is in look down position: No lock, antenna at neutral position, everything is ok: PID, antenna slightly up: PIC, antenna in a more up position: Moving my plane don't affect antenna cursor position when locked on target. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel I7 8700K / RTX 3080 / 32Go DDR4 PC21300 G.Skill Ripjaws V / MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon / Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold - 1000W / Noctua NH-D14 / Acer XB270HUDbmiprz 27" G-synch 144Hz / SSD Samsung 860EVO 250Go + 1To / Cooler Master HAF X / Warthog+VPC WarBRD / Thrustmaster TPR / Track-IR v5 + Track Clip Pro / Windows 11 64bits.
sedenion Posted July 17, 2016 Author Posted July 17, 2016 -If I don't change my altitude staying at 6500ft as the target I will never lost lock on target in PIC. -If I fly up, I lost the lock on target when I reach about 8200ft and target is at about 20nm. It put a mountain in Il-76 background at this precise moment. It is what happen in sedenion track. If I not go higher I can lock in PIC again. -If I continue to fly higher to 10000ft I can lock in PID but I can't lock in PIC until the target go closer in range. It is what happen in sedenion track. So it's a matter of "look down/ground clutter" in PIC mode. Well, we finaly go further... thanks diditopgun... And yes, that's also what i analysed: The lock is lost the precise moment when the the ground (horizon) enters behind the target from the point of view of the radar. ( and yes, i kept silence, for "the science"... ) The questions are: Why PIC is affected and not PID ? Should it be really affected ? etc...etc... Yes: - Why the radar lose the lock because of "ground clutter", on a big target (IL-76), with closing speed of >300kts ? (it seem more related to distance) - Why the target still appear in the radar, can be locked in PID, but not in PIC ? (which apparently cause this strange bug of lock/unlock when trying to go in PIC mode) My point of view is that the ground clutter tolerance is too restrictive (the radar is blind in PIC mode, here we got an RDM, not an RDI) and we obviously have a problem between PIC and PÏD. 3) Looks like there is a problem with antenna vertical cursor position. My target is in look down position: No lock, antenna at neutral position, everything is ok: PID, antenna slightly up: PIC, antenna in a more up position: Moving my plane don't affect antenna cursor position when locked on target. Here i can't say, don't analysed these things... i hope Zeus will bring us some lights...
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