Mavericks?

[Scooternutz]

This documentary states that Saudi Arabia had Maverick capability with the F-5E. Is this possible in DCS already?

 

I may have missed a post on this. Here is the link to the video: At the 32:20 the Maverick is mentioned.

 

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[SkateZilla]

The Export Versions Differ in Supported Armaments than the F-5E-3, Which is the Version BST Modeled.

[Ktulu2]

I highly doubt you will see it :

1-We have no screen to use the maverick, so that would take A LOT of supplementary work on the devs.

2-We have the F-5E block 3 I think, so it's likely they either had another block or did their own modification on it.

[Scooternutz]

Thanks for the quick reply!! I have no issues with this gorgeous module. Kind of a "just wondering" question.

[Scooternutz]

I highly doubt you will see it :

1-We have no screen to use the maverick, so that would take A LOT of supplementary work on the devs.

2-We have the F-5E block 3 I think, so it's likely they either had another block or did their own modification on it.

 

The documentary does allude to the Saudis having a kind of custom block.

 

It talks about the F-5E/Mig-21 comparison as well.

Edited July 28, 2016 by Scooternutz
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[Zilch]

I read somewhere that the screen we have is actually a dual mode one that, in reality, is capable of displaying TV images from the Maverick, but that BST can't seem to find a working version to simulate from.

 

I hope that's true...a pair of Mavericks on this would rock.

[mattebubben]

One of the main Radars for the F-5E (and the radar our F-5E is equipped with)

 

is the APQ-159

 

That radar could be coupled with 4 different Display Setups.

 

the APQ-159-1 being for a Single Seat F-5E and had AGM-65 Capability due to the Radar Display having a separate Television mode where it would display the seeker picture from the AGM-65.

 

The APQ-159-2 was the same but was designed for the F-5F and was linked to 2 displays one in each cockpit.

 

The APQ-159-3 (what we have atm) was the single seat display that lacked the Television mode and thus lacked the AGM-65 capability.

 

with the APQ-159-4 being the two seater variant of the -3.

 

Belsimtek has earlier said they would be open to adding AGM-65 capability if they could find enough info (either themselves or if somebody could find it for them) on how the Display and the different modes were operated and how the AGM-65s operational procedures worked etc.

(Preferably a Manual from a F-5E/F equipped with that display)

 

But with that info they have said they would be open to adding it.

 

This Capability / Display was available together with the APQ-159 when it became a standard option for new built (and for retrofit) F-5E/F aircraft in the Mid 70s.

 

And it was used not only by the Saudi F-5s but for many others (including but not limited to Jordan,Taiwan and some Swiss F-5s that were given the display in the 90s as they were re-tasked for air-ground duties to replace the Hawker hunter when it was taken from duty).

 

Here is some info about the Saudi F-5s (includes mention of their AGM-65 Capability)

 

http://www.the-northrop-f-5-enthusiast-page.info/AirForces/SaudiArabiaAF.html

 

This might be the Television Capable Display with the Keyword being might.

 

 

So if the needed information was found its pretty possible it could be added.

Edited October 5, 2018 by mattebubben

[Zilch]

mattebubben, that is just the information we needed. Thanks!

 

Let's hope it becomes a (simulated) reality for us. Until then, back to the manual bombing practice mission...heaven knows I need the practice.

[N1tch]

One of the main Radars for the F-5E (and the radar our F-5E is equipped with)

 

is the APQ-159

 

That radar could be coupled with 4 different Display Setups...

 

mattebubben excellent infomation. Thank you for sharing and while I'm at it have some rep too :thumbup:

[Custard]

This might be the Television Capable Display with the Keyword being might.

It is, look at the external stores knob and the new knob at the top right corner of the CRT for switching between Radar & AGM-65 display. Plus the green lights above the Maverick capable stations, presumably to indicate the AGM-65 being warmed up.

 

 

This is the cockpit of a Taiwanese F-5E-3 btw, which received no domestic upgrades or avionics.

 

Also note the new and more sensible position for the countermeasures controls.

Edited July 28, 2016 by Custard

[mattebubben]

It is, look at the external stores knob and the new knob at the top right corner of the CRT for switching between Radar & AGM-65 display.

 

ooh good find =) had not noticed that.

 

I really hope somebody could find all the info needed since it would be amazing to get the AGM-65s.

 

Would add so much more potential for DCS type combat since sadly Rockets and unguided bombs are not as powerful as they should be.

 

And most Targets especially in MP are vehicles so HE bombs are less effective to start with.

 

So having the AGM-65s (even if only two) would add some hitting power especially against heavier targets.

[SkateZilla]

The block modeled was not capable of deplying the AGM-65

[mattebubben]

Yes but again Read the previous posts.

 

Belsimtek has said earlier that if they were supplied with the relevant data they would be open to attempt adding the AGM-65 Capability

(with the AGM-65 capable display etc).

[Custard]

Yes but again Read the previous posts.

 

Belsimtek has said earlier that if they were supplied with the relevant data they would be open to attempt adding the AGM-65 Capability

(with the AGM-65 capable display etc).

Only way that's going to happen is if someone gets access to the AGM-65B manual supplemental via either an FoI request, finding an engineer who worked at Northrop in the mid 70s, or finding a Taiwanese fighter pilot with a scanner.

[mattebubben]

Only way that's going to happen is if someone gets access to the AGM-65B manual supplemental via either an FoI request, finding an engineer who worked at Northrop in the mid 70s, or finding a Taiwanese fighter pilot with a scanner.

 

Were more nations the Taiwan that operated the F-5E with AGM-65s so are more possible sources then Taiwan.

 

But still would probably need info from either an airforce (or a declassified Manual) or from Northrop (or somebody that had worked there and has or knows the relevant data.

 

Either way its possible but not very likely sadly =P.

 

Id say optimistically maby a 20-25% chance of the AGM-65 capability being added.

 

But hopefully somebody could find the relevant data and beat the odds =).

[Custard]

But still would probably need info from either an airforce (or a declassified Manual)

 

I don't think it was ever classified, so a freedom of information request is the best bet. Trouble is they don't actually have to bother fully disclosing the document in the US afaik.