Fionn Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Hi, i have been playing around with the pitch dampener, or lack thereof! I can hit 13g instantaneous turn without it! In RL would this pull the wings off? In the sim there seems to be no negative effect, obviously there would need to be serious maintenance once the plan was back on the ground. But it flies exactly as it did before the turn. :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 13*15 != 13*40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) Seems like the clean, structural max G is 2x the design limit (so 2 * 7.33)? Testing now. Edit: Hmm, maybe not... Edited January 2, 2017 by Sweep Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunf Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Could the stress damage be cumulative? I was doing a series of high g, and nothing happened, when suddenly the plane fell apart in a 10,5 g turn. The last turn shown on tacview graph is when the plane disintegrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just got the left wing to snap at 15g lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Could the stress damage be cumulative? I was doing a series of high g, and nothing happened, when suddenly the plane fell apart in a 10,5 g turn. The last turn shown on tacview graph is when the plane disintegrated. yeah maybe, i will test now to see if i can get it to happen on the first pull... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Managed to hit 18G!!! Wings stayed on, but second pull wing came off at just over 1G! Edited January 2, 2017 by Fionn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just watched the track back and DCS reports 19G for first pull and 13G at which the wings snapped, from F2 view stats. Seems very hardy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmijnen Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Perhaps you can pull it off once or twice but in the process damage your wings enough to make them snap during a way lower G turn? Modules: too many System: I7-7700K, GTX 2080 Super, 64GB DDR4, 500GB SSD, 3TB HDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESAc_matador Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) yeah maybe, i will test now to see if i can get it to happen on the first pull... I think it is modelled. Edited January 2, 2017 by ESAc_matador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 wing fatigue is modelled https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=176833 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 ideal, thanks for the link, seems too hardy to me tho, surely a 19g break would kill the plane, and the pilot lol, it took a good few seconds to black out, which i guess is accurate anyway lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippylummox Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I pulled five 14G turns consecutively, then snapped my left wing off pulling a 16G after. Pushed the envelope just a little too far on that last one. In any case, if it was real life, returning to base with that level of over-g on the air frame would have equated to some very angry maintainers and me flying a desk for a bit from my Commander. :P :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I pulled five 14G turns consecutively, then snapped my left wing off pulling a 16G after. Pushed the envelope just a little too far on that last one. In any case, if it was real life, returning to base with that level of over-g on the air frame would have equated to some very angry maintainers and me flying a desk for a bit from my Commander. :P what if youve had good reason. ie i needed to out turn my mig21bis pursuer to not be a smoldering wreck, or dodge a SAM, or something along those lines. im sure the commander values pilot life over airframe stress. or has the USAF gone back into the "fly safe" mentality again from the 50/60s? :) Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaderhacker Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 How can you pull 16G when the max load on the plane says 7.5G? Does that mean the F-16 can pull 18Gs (2 * 9G)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Wow! Props to Belsimtek for cumulative airframe stress damage being modeled, awesome! Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 its great but surely it needs to be dialed in a bit, 19G is surely not possible!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I'm not sure but I think one result of over-g'ing your F-5 is that you can't get the AIM-9 off the rails any more. Today I accidently pulled 10g in a dogfight with a MiG-21, and once I found myself perfectly lined up on his six for the missile shot, pressing the trigger didn't get the missiles off. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 I'm not sure but I think one result of over-g'ing your F-5 is that you can't get the AIM-9 off the rails any more. Today I accidently pulled 10g in a dogfight with a MiG-21, and once I found myself perfectly lined up on his six for the missile shot, pressing the trigger didn't get the missiles off. I'm going to have to experiment with the because I've had multiple occasions when I can't fire aim9, would make sense of it was g related... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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