TM Warhog Set Up Questions

[B2Blain]

Hi,

I am new to DCS. Until now I have mainly played Falcon BMS and configured my Thrustmaster Warthog using TM' script editor and by modifying an existing .key file.

 

It is my understanding that one option is to bind a key stroke to a button in the game. If I want to use layers - I, O, or D, M, U I will need to create a script. I will still need to define the axes for Stick, Throttle, and Rudders in the game. Is that correct?

 

There does not seem to be too many TM Warthog profiles out there. Does anyone know of one that uses one for the F-15C?

 

Thanks,

Blain

[hansangb]

For the A10 module, it works out of the box. There is nothing else you have to do. For other modules, you have two choices. You can configure the buttons and axis in each game control setting. You don't have to bind the keystroke to a button. You can just go to the control setting and click on the button on the HOTAS.

 

Or you can use a pre-defined TARGET script. In this case, the configuration and binding is done by the TARGET script (outside of DCS). Check out these links:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1922187&postcount=1

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2317300&postcount=1

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2563187&postcount=1

[B2Blain]

Thanks HSB!

 

I found this thread which was helpful.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1323151&postcount=2

 

In his profile the axes were defined in the script. If I go this route, I assume I do not need to define the axes in game. Is that correct?

[Boris]

I hate having to make script or profile for each aircraft and much prefer to assign controls in game. A major problem here is that many warthog buttons are not recognised by DCS (3 position flaps etc.). I was long frustrated with all of it until I found a great workaround.

 

There is a limit to the number of buttons a device may have, but I configured the throttle only, leaving the stick to be recognised as the default Warthog stick.

 

This leaves many more buttons and HAT functions (which can easily be assigned as generic buttons) to cover 95% of the Warthog throttle functions.

 

You can then assign these buttons in game with greatly expanded functionality.

[firmek]

I hate having to make script or profile for each aircraft and much prefer to assign controls in game. A major problem here is that many warthog buttons are not recognised by DCS (3 position flaps etc.). I was long frustrated with all of it until I found a great workaround.

 

There is a limit to the number of buttons a device may have, but I configured the throttle only, leaving the stick to be recognised as the default Warthog stick.

 

This leaves many more buttons and HAT functions (which can easily be assigned as generic buttons) to cover 95% of the Warthog throttle functions.

 

You can then assign these buttons in game with greatly expanded functionality.

+1. Personally the only time I run the TARGET is to set the LED's status. Otherwise, all of the bindings can be done:

1. In-game. All of the basic stuff like axis, most of the stick configuration. Unfortunatelly the axis have to be checked and assigned when running a new module for the first time. Otherwise the default assginements are a mess, usually all devices are duplicated and assigned to all of the axis. For some reason DCS doesn't bring a default, clear setup for one of if not the the most popular hotas. No need to touch anything for A-10C - it's the only one module for which warthog works perfectly out of the box.

2. Using .lua key files. More advanced but in reality an easy way to create actions for 2-way or 3-way throttle switches. Negative side is that first time it may seem a bit difficult. Also modifications have to be restored after DCS update (though it's usually not more than copy - paste the file). Posities are that once done for the first time, it's easy to apply the same method for other aircrafts, gives a lot of flexibility, it's much faster than playing with TARGET, there is no need to run additional middle-ware. Another important aspect is that this way all of the settings are in one place - in-game, which makes it easier to maintain. The procedure is described in a number of threads - sorry, I don't have time to look them up now. Any specific module and specific keys that you would like to map from throttle?

[dburne]

I personally use TARGET for my other flight sims, but not for DCS. I find the control menu in DCS to be very good and I can accomplish all I want with it.

 

While yes you can not use layers, you can use the I/O modifier by assigning a button on the Warthog as a modifier within DCS. I personally use the paddle on the stick as a modifier button for all my DCS modules. Greatly expands the number of assignable buttons and I find using that for the stick and throttle, I have plenty available for my use without the need of having the extra switch buttons on the throttle available that TARGET or .lua modifying gives.

[hansangb]

B2Blain, that's the idea. I can't speak for the script you posted (never used it) but the idea is you configure everything in the TARGET script.

 

Grizzlies script (the last one I listed) is meant to be a generic script for the throttle so you can use 3 position switches easily.

[MegOhm_SD]

For the A10C you will have to assign Trim. The trim button on the WH defaults to views which I never have understood.

[B2Blain]

I personally use TARGET for my other flight sims, but not for DCS. I find the control menu in DCS to be very good and I can accomplish all I want with it.

 

While yes you can not use layers, you can use the I/O modifier by assigning a button on the Warthog as a modifier within DCS. I personally use the paddle on the stick as a modifier button for all my DCS modules. Greatly expands the number of assignable buttons and I find using that for the stick and throttle, I have plenty available for my use without the need of having the extra switch buttons on the throttle available that TARGET or .lua modifying gives.

 

 

 

I didn't know you could create shifted layers within the game. How do do that? Especially the designation of the button used to shift layers. I usually use the S3 button. With this sim if i could just created shifted layers that should be enough.

 

Thanks!

 

 

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[hansangb]

Just double click on the function you want to configure.

 

You'll see the "Button" and "Modifier" fields. Just click on it and hit the button you want to map it too.

 

There is a search function so you can find the control that you want to configure. Just make sure you're clicking on the column that corresponds to the device.

[B2Blain]

Just double click on the function you want to configure.

 

You'll see the "Button" and "Modifier" fields. Just click on it and hit the button you want to map it too.

 

There is a search function so you can find the control that you want to configure. Just make sure you're clicking on the column that corresponds to the device.

 

I was able to figure that out. But I was wondering about creating layers within the game. I see fields for modifiers but not for different states - shifted and unshifted.

 

Not to mention how to designation a button as the button to beused to shift and unshift.

 

I would appreciate any ideas.

 

Thanks!

[00Donkey]

So im having a small issue with my new Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, (by the way if any of you are on the fence about the Thrustmaster Hog, or who have buddies who're on the fence about buying that stick it's price point has been lowered and you can even buy the stick and throttle separately now! But http://www.newegg.com has it for $399.00 and every few weeks they've been offering a free set of the newest Thrustmaster rudder-pedals as well, (right now the pedals are on offer for the TM 16000 stick instead but they keep swapping it back and forth to the warthog) Anyways as you can see i love this stick to the point where i think everyone should be using one!... BUT....the issue im having below is becoming a bit maddening....

 

 

So On to my issue and original reason for posting here, so i've got the TARGET Software installed, i've gone to the profiles pages here in the user-files/downloads section, And so i Downloaded a profile for the F-15C and immediately fired up TARGET GUI to go TEST it,... it worked great,...

 

i then shut down DCS and go and download 5 more profiles one for each of the modules i fly the most being the UH-1H, SU-25T, SU-27, Mirage-2000C, And i think i also found one for the FW-190 which although i don't fly that thing nearly enough, i would of course like to now that i have a stick with excellent quality hall-sensors in it, instead of my old X-55's horrible Potentiometers (one of which died after only 2yrs of using the stick about 1or 2 weeks a month for the passed two years)

 

So i then restarted my PC as per the instructions from target software's instruction pdf.(least i think thats what it suggested when adding a profile) But anyways, i restart the software and go to my list of available profiles in the pulldown menu within the target-software, and ONLY THE ORIGINAL F-15C one is available! I open the file explorer in windows and ALL THE ONES I DOWNLOADED ARE IN THE PROPER SECTION, but they arent showing up as available profiles when i open the TARGET Software.....

 

 

Any ideas as to what i might be doing wrong here? or any idea as to what i can do to get these to work? (it's not impossible for me to learn how to make/edit profiles on TARGET, it's Just faster to download a profile and try it, if it's a layout i like i keep it.)

[dburne]

But anyways, i restart the software and go to my list of available profiles in the pulldown menu within the target-software, and ONLY THE ORIGINAL F-15C one is available! I open the file explorer in windows and ALL THE ONES I DOWNLOADED ARE IN THE PROPER SECTION, but they arent showing up as available profiles when i open the TARGET Software.....

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Check the file extensions of the ones you downloaded that are not showing up, if they are .tmc files they were created with the TARGET script editor and would need to be opened from it.

.fcf files are created with the TARGET GUI editor and can be opened from it - which I am sure is what you are using.

The TARGET GUI will only show you profiles created with it - .fcf.

Edited January 24, 2017 by dburne

[00Donkey]

Ahh i see thanks bud that might be the issue, i'll go try that and get back to yah!

[00Donkey]

ok so two were the file type u talked about and two were .LUA's so the .LUA's i now remember those hav to be manually moved to my DCS Joystick folder for that aircraft, but where do i find that in windows 10? (i recently upgraded from windows 7 and only know windows 7 and i've been told that it's different for windows 10)

[dburne]

ok so two were the file type u talked about and two were .LUA's so the .LUA's i now remember those hav to be manually moved to my DCS Joystick folder for that aircraft, but where do i find that in windows 10? (i recently upgraded from windows 7 and only know windows 7 and i've been told that it's different for windows 10)

 

:thumbup:

 

C:\\ Users\<your username>Saved Games\ DCS ( whatever version you are running)\config\input

 

Edit : the lua files are probably in a different folder, should be within there somewhere...

[hansangb]

ok so two were the file type u talked about and two were .LUA's so the .LUA's i now remember those hav to be manually moved to my DCS Joystick folder for that aircraft, but where do i find that in windows 10? (i recently upgraded from windows 7 and only know windows 7 and i've been told that it's different for windows 10)

 

 

If they are lua files, they are *not* meant to be used with TARGET. In fact, LUA files are used for configuring joysticks so that you *don't* have to use TARGET.

 

You should check out Homefries or Polaris thread here. They have extensive TARGET scripts that you can use for the Warthog

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1922187&postcount=1

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2317300&postcount=1

Edited January 25, 2017 by hansangb
added the link

[LeCuvier]

ok so two were the file type u talked about and two were .LUA's so the .LUA's i now remember those hav to be manually moved to my DCS Joystick folder for that aircraft, but where do i find that in windows 10? (i recently upgraded from windows 7 and only know windows 7 and i've been told that it's different for windows 10)

There are many different .lua files, and without having complete file names there is no way of telling where they should go. But you might be talking about the files that define available commands for keyboard, joystick and throttle. Examples (for FW-190):

default.lua, Throttle - HOTAS Warthog.lua

These belong into the folder "C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\Mods\aircraft\FW-190D9\Input\FW-190D9\joystick" if used with joystick or throttle.

The default.lua, if used with the keyboard, goes into "C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\Mods\aircraft\FW-190D9\Input\FW-190D9\keyboard".

There is a tutorial about these files and their customization in the thread "How to set up toggle switches" https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2862001&postcount=214