tflash Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article161078829/IS-Kaempfer-zerstoeren-den-deutschen-Panzer-Mythos.html [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxic Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 high incompetent leopard crews + anything can be penetrated. #CHOPPERLIVESMATTER http://www.aircombatgroup.co.uk/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 don't forget how they de-iced an airliner, so imagine what they could have done with the leopard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The M Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 That's what happens if you use a vehicle in a way it is not supposed to be used. It is known that the side of those tanks are weak. On the new versions, the front half (A7) of the side or the whole side (A7+) is equiped with an upgraded armor package. But even with all those upgrades, no tank should be used and positioned like they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike5560 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 It's also difficult to keep the frontal armor pointed at the enemy 100% of the time when the enemy can blend in with the local populace, and flank with little indication of being hostile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) The old A4 is only really well protected from the front, as most western tanks, but aside from that I don't believe any tank in the world can withstand a Kornet missile to the side as it can penetrate 1200mm of armor. Piss poor deployment by the Turkish forces, nothing else. The new A7 is probably the best protected tank in the world: Edited January 17, 2017 by Hummingbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 This is what happens when you try to use a tank as an immobile bunker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 where is confirmation the leopards were hit by kornet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFire Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 This is what happens when you try to use a tank as an immobile bunker. This. Apart form excellent armour in the A7 version, the Leopard has always relied on maneuverability for protection somewhat more than other similar western designs such as the M1A1HA or Challenger 2. Using a tank as a fixed turret can work under certain conditions, but using one as a fixed emplacement against insurgent forces isn't it. Foolish use of a modern tank. System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) The old A4 is only really well protected from the front, as most western tanks, but aside from that I don't believe any tank in the world can withstand a Kornet missile to the side as it can penetrate 1200mm of armor. seriously? 1.2m thickness of metal armour? Sure you didn't mean 120mm? EDIT: wow, looks like you're right, informational videos of this missile note 1200mm also. Edited January 18, 2017 by Kuky No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 As Hummingbird already said: Turkey is still using old A4 Leopards. They have far inferior armor than modern A6/A7 ones. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 1.2m is the claim, but remember that is equivalent penetration, as tank armor these days isn't made of a solid slab of metal and can provide effective armor thickness beyond their actual thickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD-MM Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Even old T-80 Tank provide up to equivalent of 600-800mm frontal Ammor on the Turret, build out of Metal and sandwich layers of depletet Uran ceramic and different hardness of Steel Plattes to protect from HEAT and cinetic Penetrators... Our DCS Vikhr from the Ka-50 was able to Penetrate 1000mm RHA with his tandem HEAT in the first Version 16 Years ago now... Once you have tasted Flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your Eyes turned Skyward. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 9./JG27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Remember these tanks were hit on the sides, and the Kornet missile will defeat any tank here unless said tank it equipped with modular addon armor specifically to defeat HEAT rounds. The difference between an old Leopard 2A4 a newer version with modular armour: Edited January 19, 2017 by Hummingbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The M Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 And they don't have the tactical sunnshade :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFire Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1.2m is the claim, but remember that is equivalent penetration, as tank armor these days isn't made of a solid slab of metal and can provide effective armor thickness beyond their actual thickness. This. Missile penetration values are quoted as being against RHA - rolled homogeneous armour which is just steel plate essentially - not the composite armour modern tanks have. The frontal armour of an M1A1HA or a Challenger 2 with the Dorchester applique packs could very easily be way in excess of 1000mm RHA equivalent. System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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