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DCSW 1.5x runs around 35-48fps, drop under 30fps at high density of tree zone such as Sochi-Adler base...Recently i've been having stuttering issue, may be the problem with 7970 so i want to upgrade a new one.

 

Spending lot of time watching reviews on youtube, i've 2 choices: Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 8GB and Asus GTX 1060 Dual-OC 6GB

 

GTX 1060 looks a bit better in DX11 games than RX 480 but the Sapphire Nitro RX 480 should have more advantages in DX12, waiting for the future of DCSW 2.5 :smartass:

 

Which one to choose ? :( I heard someone say that DCSW does not work well with AMD card

 

 

 

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1) DCS works better with nvidia cards

2) DCS will never receive an update to dx12 (a full rewrite is the only way to take full advantages and the effort is not in line with rewards)

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2.5 will still run on DX11, so the question is do You need the card for some upcoming DX12 games... Also, at the moment, 1.5.x doesn't use 100% of even older cards, let alone new ones, so neither of these two will show their true potential. They should still give some nice performance boost, though.

 

It will all most likely change with 2.5, though, with updated Caucasus maps using clipmaps for terrain rendering, like the Nevada one, and all modern cards being utilized to the max. I guess for some rough comparison purposes, You should search/ask people here how Nevada runs on their 480s and 1060s.

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110% good decition either way i'd say.. I believe the difference between nvidia and amd in DCS dx11 is pretty much like most other dx 11 games. I have seen over the past months since launch that rx 480 has pulled back some of the difference and pulled ahead quite often. And even when you look at things past the gpu themselves they're quite equal now that AMD has ReLive.. thing would be if you're going to get a Gsync or freesync monitor (where i'd personally say a AMD + freesync monitor would brobably be better for your pocket).

 

I don't think you can go wrong either way, one thing to keep in mind is that AMD has had a reputation of supporting older gen GPU's (recieving perf updates) for a long time, which has made the 7970 guite better than it's rivals over time (i hope that was the 7970)

 

(i can't think of any advantages for the 1060 to make this comment less one-sided, but you know.. we're talking small differences, it's probably a little faster in DCS. I'd say get what's cheaper :P)

 

Just want to add, you'll probably still have low frames every now and then even with a better GPU, im running GTX 1080 in 1920x1080 and still have dips in mp to around 30-40fps..


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Which one to choose ? :( I heard someone say that DCSW does not work well with AMD card

 

DCS runs fine with an AMD card.

 

I recently upgraded to a 1070, but even with my old R9 280 I was at 60fps mostly with 1920x1080.

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2.5 will still run on DX11, so the question is do You need the card for some upcoming DX12 games... Also, at the moment, 1.5.x doesn't use 100% of even older cards, let alone new ones, so neither of these two will show their true potential. They should still give some nice performance boost, though.

 

It will all most likely change with 2.5, though, with updated Caucasus maps using clipmaps for terrain rendering, like the Nevada one, and all modern cards being utilized to the max. I guess for some rough comparison purposes, You should search/ask people here how Nevada runs on their 480s and 1060s.

 

you have to remember that even without taking into consideratin Dx12 capability these cards in question have much better GPU power and a higher Vram count than thier last gen predecessors.

 

If anythign its less worthwhile upgrading to last gen cards, becasue the R200 and R300 series offer pretty small improvements.

 

The Pascal(nvidia 1000 series) and Polaris ( RX 400 series) and soon to be coming Vega ( higher end 400) Cards offering much bigger performance leaps than seen the last 2 generations from either given GPU company. This is partly due to the change in die Size. We went from 28NM die size to 16NM and 14NM.

 

 

The current generation is one that is very much worth upgrading to. Even thouth the 7970 was a high end for its time, the current Mid range gtx 1060 and RX480 still offer very notable performance increase.

 

 

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-AMD-HD-7970/3634vs2163

 

 

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-HD-7970/3639vs2163

 

 

If op went for say high end 1070 , or 1080, they are just plain very big improvements. Leaving the 7970 totally in the dust. I myself upgraded from a Amd 280X ( a 7970 rebrand)

 

 

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1070-vs-AMD-HD-7970/3609vs2163

 

 

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-vs-AMD-HD-7970/3603vs2163


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I don't think you can go wrong either way, one thing to keep in mind is that AMD has had a reputation of supporting older gen GPU's (recieving perf updates) for a long time, which has made the 7970 guite better than it's rivals over time (i hope that was the 7970)

 

Yep, newer AMD drivers make their older cards better, i've ever played Assassins Creed Unity on AMD Catalyst 14.12 (resolved fps problem for ACU at that time) and found that over 230% fps higher than 14.9 and other previous versions.

 

AMD also supports their olders GPUs for a long long time, now i still run HD 7970 with Crimson 17.11 Relive well. At this point AMD much better than Nvidia.

 

But..... :music_whistling: should i wait more a few months for the upcoming Nvidia GTX 2060 with Pascal Refresh ? :D

 

 

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If op went for say high end 1070 , or 1080, they are just plain very big improvements. Leaving the 7970 totally in the dust. I myself upgraded from a Amd 280X ( a 7970 rebrand)

 

I'm in Vietnam, here the VGA cost (with tax) much higher than in US (refer from Amazon) so impossible to reach GTX 1070 or higher

These cards here are around US$ 560-630 while on Amazon they're $399 - 407

 

Mid range cards as GTX 1060 & RX 480 are also at $ 300-400, nearly double price but acceptable.


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You know the GTX2060 will be price gouged to hell for months though. I think the RX480 is the better bet today. I grabbed one a month ago and it works great and should hold up better than a GTX 1060. This is due to the card being closer to a GTX 1070 than it is to the 1060 in terms of raw chip performance. My previous card was a GTX770. I did a review on the RX480 a day or two after I got it. I've since gotten another 15 fps out of it on the bottom end compared to what I got in the review over the strip.

 

The kutasai area in 1.5 still tanks performance, but I don't think there is a GPU that can hold 60 fps in that area. It's a DCS issue. Everywhere else is fine.

 

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Yep, newer AMD drivers make their older cards better, i've ever played Assassins Creed Unity on AMD Catalyst 14.12 (resolved fps problem for ACU at that time) and found that over 230% fps higher than 14.9 and other previous versions.

 

AMD also supports their olders GPUs for a long long time, now i still run HD 7970 with Crimson 17.11 Relive well. At this point AMD much better than Nvidia.

 

But..... :music_whistling: should i wait more a few months for the upcoming Nvidia GTX 2060 with Pascal Refresh ? :D

 

 

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I'm in Vietnam, here the VGA cost (with tax) much higher than in US (refer from Amazon) so impossible to reach GTX 1070 or higher

These cards here are around US$ 560-630 while on Amazon they're $399 - 407

 

Mid range cards as GTX 1060 & RX 480 are also at $ 300-400, nearly double price but acceptable.

 

 

Well i did include the RX480 and GTX 1060 for comparisons too. Even then it certainly a worthwhile improvement over 7970 or the R9 280x.

 

Here in Canada the prices are steeper too.

 

Anyways even with bewtter drivers the performance still isnt all that much better. IF you can afford to upgrade 2-3 years then really you wont notice the AGe that much over AMD. I certainly didnt feel the aging better with the AMD 280X, hence why i switched to a newer Nvidia card ( athat and thier newer high end cards released sooner) AMD has yet to release vega.

 

I dont think the 2000 series will be here as soon as you think, 1080ti has not yet been released, and threes has been 0 "official" news of those 2000 series. What you posted is unsourced speculation, like gossip articles on celebrities. UI d say its be nearly half a year, (5 months at least) before we see any 2000 series. Then again Cards come out annually, you either buy a card or you don't, and upgrade when you need to, Otherwise youl be Endlessly waiting for yet another card.

 

To illustrate that point? If i had a Dollar everytime someone posted me an article that Half Life 3 was just right around the corner... Id be Rich :D

 

Since you arent rushing for a new card, waiting for the 2000 series is also an opportunity to buy the 1000s series at a reduced price.


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Well,

 

nothing is confirmed, that's true.

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-12nm-finfet/ still, this makes perfect sense

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The initial drivers for the RX480 had about 10% lower performance in dx11 compared to the 1060. That is no longer the case (equal now). The driver update in December corrected that disparity. Check any RX480 vs GTX1060 review made from December till present for current information. That old review from July doesn't reflect the current situation. Additionally, the RX480 is massively faster in DX12 and Vulkan, suggesting it has more room for DX11 optimization. The 1060 doesn't gain much in Vulkan and actually loses performance in DX12, so further driver improvements in DX11 are unlikely, it's already tapped out.

 

The GTX1060 is simply not a competitive product at its current price. Its closest AMD competitor in performance is the RX470, not the 480.


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Well,

 

nothing is confirmed, that's true.

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-12nm-finfet/ still, this makes perfect sense

 

yes as i even said in my post cards release anually. Hence i even included a estimtated date. if we assume that we go by a comparable release date to the 1000s series thats minum of 4 months until reference cards, and around 5 months for aftermarket 3rd party cards.


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The initial drivers for the RX480 had about 10% lower performance in dx11 compared to the 1060. That is no longer the case (equal now). The driver update in December corrected that disparity. Check any RX480 vs GTX1060 review made from December till present for current information. That old review from July doesn't reflect the current situation. Additionally, the RX480 is massively faster in DX12 and Vulkan, suggesting it has more room for DX11 optimization. The 1060 doesn't gain much in Vulkan and actually loses performance in DX12, so further driver improvements in DX11 are unlikely, it's already tapped out.

 

The GTX1060 is simply not a competitive product at its current price. Its closest AMD competitor in performance is the RX470, not the 480.

 

 

 

gt 1060 is still very much a 480 competitor, comes out a tad bit ahead of the 480. AMD only slashed the price recently to encourage more 480 buyers, even then its only a 20- 30 dollar difference at most (compared through newegg). Now while in vulkan ( its really just a evolved Open GL) it does have better DX12 performance.. its pretty marginal in return. like im looking at benchmarks seeing litterla like 2-5 FPS increases at most. The only games were there were any more noticeable differences of 10-20 FPS gains were AMD optimized games like DOOM or Hitman.

 

IN Nvidia optimised game like Tomb raider the 1060 still was ahead of the 480 of about 10-12 FPS with DX12 rendering.

 

 

 

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-480/3639vs3634

 

so yeah the RX480 is a slightly better buy as of right now, however it is also unreasonable to claim the 1060 is not competitive.


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Go for 1060 much faster than 480 https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/11.html

 

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AMD always has problem with driver, not GPU

Their driver optimization is not as good as Nvidia because i think lot of games support Nvidia better, while the raw AMD's GPU performance so powerful.

 

RX 480 should be compared to GTX 1070, its technical specifications are totally higher than GTX 1060 except core clock frequency.

 

Have a look at Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 OC, the last boss of RX 480 with new driver, it often lead at top of benchmarks. Hope future Crimson driver makes it more powerful

 


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To say one is simply straight faster than the other is a load of crap. With both of them being so close in performance it is really not much of a factor.

 

As for drivers, i think the latest AMD driver had a bug but other than that i think it's been overall as solid as Nvidia the past 1 or 2 years. At least if we're talking Windows.

 

No-one can decide for you at the moment if it's worth to wait for next gen.. That is really up to you, depending on how long you can hold out with the gpu that you have :P

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AMD always has problem with driver, not GPU

Their driver optimization is not as good as Nvidia because i think lot of games support Nvidia better, while the raw AMD's GPU performance so powerful.

 

RX 480 should be compared to GTX 1070, its technical specifications are totally higher than GTX 1060 except core clock frequency.

 

Have a look at Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 OC, the last boss of RX 480 with new driver, it often lead at top of benchmarks. Hope future Crimson driver makes it more powerful

 

 

 

no it shouldnt be close. because 1070 performs much better. the RX480 does seem a better on paper over the 1060, but the reality i in actuall application of the hardware, benchmarks performance gathered from games and other software prove otherwise.

 

Like said the performance is only better than the 1060 in Dx12, and even then its not a big leap. the Rx480 is Not close or almost 1070 counterpart. Close are performance comparisons of the 1060 and Amd 480. There is no spinning this. the 480 is still a mid range card. the AMD's Vega will be the ones to compete ( or outdo) the 1070 and 1080 high end Nvidia cards..

 

 

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1070-vs-AMD-RX-480/3609vs3634


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You know the GTX2060 will be price gouged to hell for months though. I think the RX480 is the better bet today. I grabbed one a month ago and it works great and should hold up better than a GTX 1060.

 

I think i should wait for few months for AMD Vega 11 release if AMD re-confirmation is true, we'll have AMD Vega 11 replaced RX 480 at mainstream platform so the RX 480 - king of Polaris 10 - is out of date :D



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Of course. Every summer has a new GPU generation. I'm eager to see if AMD can dethrone Nvidia at the top end this time, they really need that tbh for marketing their entire line. It's sad but people are lazy and assume that just because one company's $1000 chip is better, that company's $250 chip must be better too. Ditto for Ryzen vs I3/5/7.

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