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I am extremely eager and anxious to play DCS. Over the past 14 months I have invested over $2500 into a new gaming PC and Oculus Rift plus over 40 hours of time all in an effort to play PC games including DCS.

 

To date - I have not played at all. It is proving fundamentally impossible. Getting my joystick, throttle and pedals to work is simply no possible.

 

I am not a computer programmer, computer hardware engineer nor a long term technical geek who understands everything about how to configure the dozens of apparently "moon-shot complex" things that must all happen before PC gaming is possible. It is shocking that this is THIS insanely complex.

 

Are there any plans to port DCS to a console? With the xbox - launch a game and it just works. Plug in a controller and it just works. Gaming time = 100% Complex configuration and driver campatibility wars = 0%.

 

It seems insanity to me that companies producing games are developing games for the PC. Why would any business person every develop a game hoping to sell many copies and then focus on a platform that fundamentally excludes 99% of the population?

 

If there is any hope of DCS being made available on a console, please let me know.

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if you could be specific as to what you have trouble with, people here would be more than happy to explain step by step what they mean and how to do it, but until then your post is pretty meaningless.

 

no dcs will never be a console game, not when 40+ hotas keybinds will still require a majority of auxiliary functions to be activated using the mouse/keyboard.

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Not going to happen for many reasons. DCS will take a good while to map all of your buttons but that is expected given the large amount of controls. This game is probably not for you. I would try DCS FC3 first as they are easier to set up. But I would not try something like A-10C, MIG-21, ect. They have a massive amount of functions to configure.

 

As for your PC, just assemble it yourself. Use good brands and buy quality products and you shouldn't have much if any issues. I actually found the 360 harder to use many years ago, because you needed to do updates and the like in a horribly outdated interface.

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I wouldn't count on it.

 

There's enough hurdles that it would be prohibitive if not impossible. It also doesn't make much business sense, as most console gaming simmers likely have PCs to play sims on.

 

Simulation software is largely confined to PCs and there's quite a few reasons that things have developed that way. They're generally more like complex sandboxes that attempt to replicate levels of detail and complexity found in the real world than what you would traditionally find in entertainment software. Because of that they tend to be really rough around the edges in terms of user experience.

 

I'd agree with the above poster that if your answer to your technical issues is asking for a more simplified experience DCS may not be what you're looking for. The reason I say that is because half of the experience of DCS is going to be learning how to use systems and apply technical information.

 

I think your best bet is to just keep at the problem, seek information, ask questions, etc until you resolve it. I'm sure it's not as bad as you think it is now. You don't need to be a specialist, all you need is the resolve to see it through.

 

Good luck!

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I have already posted help threads relative to all the problems I have had - both here and on other forums. I would also be more than willing to PAY for help but there is nobody to pay. Issues have not been configuring joystick buttons and such in game - issues are getting joysticks to function in windows 10. The issue with gaming on the PC is that it is a never ending nightmare of driver incompatibility and other hardware interface disasters. Things just don't work and to get them to work you need a computer science degree or more.

 

This is the entire reason games like DCS only appeal to a very tiny niche market. There are MANY people who are into history and aviation who would be thrilled to get into playing this - BUT - it is not possible. Average regular people do not have access because the technical knowledge required to actually get everything working is far beyond what 99% of the population possesses. At least with console games they actually work.

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99% of things plug and play, ESPECIALLY game controllers, irrespective of the hardware you're using. If you're having that kind of trouble with something so simple (there are rarely drivers to actually install manually) you probably have faulty hardware or managed to assemble something that innately hates itself... it's rare, but it happens sometimes a certain combination of hardware won't like each.

 

Twenty years ago, yes, PC gaming required virgin sacrifices, but it is far from 'difficult' these days. I build computers, and even a home cockpit. It's not that hard. I know plenty of non-tech people who managed to bumble their way through assembling their own PC from scratch just by using YouTube videos as a reference.

 

If it was me, I would try to determine if my controls or motherboard was the problem. Go buy a cheap $20 joystick (no big deal if you already dumped $2,500 into this) and see if it works. If it does, return your controls. If it doesn't, try different ports. Borrow somebody else's computer and plug your stuff in there. It doesn't have to be a gaming computer, it just needs USB ports to test if it's working and would take about 30 seconds.

 

If the controls are good, I'd try starting over with a fresh install. Something might have been gibbered up. If that doesn't fix it, you might return your motherboard and try a different model. Perhaps it's just not diggin' your gear. If you bought a cheap Motherboard, that could be a potential problem, so stick to main brands and preferably at least midrange ones.

 

If you want additional assistance, I'd be happy to try to help.

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Maybe it's one of these "Win10 powering down USB ports" clusterFs people have been writing about. I won't help, as mine PC runs on Win7, but there surely will be some Win10 guys over here willing to share some experiences.

 

First You have to say at least what controllers You've bought anyway, 'cause without this basic info, there's no way we'll be able to help.

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At least with console games they actually work.

 

From what you have said, the game is not the issue. I am running Win10 on every machine in my house and I have never had a problem getting a controller to work. Please link one or more of your 'request for help' threads and perhaps we can help resolve your issue.

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I didn't build the PC - I purchased it from iBuypower.

 

Here is the help thread with the most activity.... Tone71 has tried to help but at this stage I cannot even get an Administrator account to work correctly:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=181728

 

Yes - my joystick is ancient but it DID work initially and I cannot afford to replace it currently. It worked fine when first plugged in so I see no reason it should not work fine again once whatever the issues are can be fixed.

 

I do get insanely frustrated with all this. Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

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Just a cursory glance at your topic, one or both of your controllers is probably dead, or at least no compatible with W10. It's irrelevant if it was ok before.

 

I repeat my earlier suggestion : go to an electronics store. Buy a cheap $20 joystick. Plug it in. If it works, return it and get your money back, the problem is your controller. You're making this unnecessarily hard on yourself, imo.

 

Game controllers are plug and play. If you plug it in and it doesn't work, in 99% of cases that means something is wrong with it/it's defective. They interface with Windows through the peripheral equivalent of DirectX (ie a generic interface).

 

Regardless, 'PC gaming' isn't the problem here. Your issue is highly localised to you personally. I do believe that hardware is used by many people here, so the logical conclusion is that they are defective.

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At this point, I cannot do anything on my PC as the Administrator. Gaining Administrator access is impossible. Until I can get a solution to that I don't see anything else as being important because without any administrator access I cannot delete or configure any system files. I spent 3+ hours on trying to gain Administrator access this morning without luck - tried everything on Google I could find.

 

I would find it one of the most incredible coincidences in history if my controller "went bad" at the exact point in time where I plugged in a different controller to the computer. The odds of such a coincidence must be astronomical. I do not believe there is a hardware malfunction in the controller. How could ALL of the axis go bad at the exact same time but all of the buttons remain functional? Not likely. This is a configuration and likely a registry issue but I have no idea how to approach correcting either.

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I have already posted help threads relative to all the problems I have had - both here and on other forums. I would also be more than willing to PAY for help but there is nobody to pay. Issues have not been configuring joystick buttons and such in game - issues are getting joysticks to function in windows 10. The issue with gaming on the PC is that it is a never ending nightmare of driver incompatibility and other hardware interface disasters. Things just don't work and to get them to work you need a computer science degree or more.

 

This is the entire reason games like DCS only appeal to a very tiny niche market. There are MANY people who are into history and aviation who would be thrilled to get into playing this - BUT - it is not possible. Average regular people do not have access because the technical knowledge required to actually get everything working is far beyond what 99% of the population possesses. At least with console games they actually work.

 

To me it sounds more like you've got an awkward OS configuration and some bad luck. PC gaming certainly involves troubleshooting from time to time and sometimes it can get deep, like what you're currently experiencing, but typically it's not such an issue. Did you install Win10 yourself, or did it come pre-installed?

 

Have you tried a fresh install?

 

There's a lot of reasons DCS is niche, and hardware configuration issues is probably pretty low on the list.


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You have locked yourself out of administrator access?

 

I'd just wipe Windows and start over with a clean install. They should have given you a restore disk of some sort or it may be integrated into your system. I'd start over, and try to be more careful / apply lessons learned regarding tinkering.

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I don't speak for ED, but I will speak as if I was in-charge of a similar company.

 

It is shocking that this is THIS insanely complex.

 

It's called reality, at least a good attempt to be very close to it.

 

 

Why would any business person

 

Not business people, that's secondary.

 

 

excludes 99% of the population?

 

They are irrelevant. They don't live in reality.

 

 

Sorry, but I have to defend this community, even if it may seem harsh, DCS is not invading or limiting any of the other communities, groups, markets, tech circles, niches out there. It is infact the other way around, the US Western ideas and political beliefs from places like Silicon Valley are trying to dominate and dictate how everything's going to run in the tech world, forcing their stuff and limiting flexibility, including on the PC, I will not tolerate such undemocratic practices.


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I really don't mean to sound like a smartass, but troubleshooting a nonfunctioning joystick is not THAT hard. This escalated unnecessarily, and you appear to be skipping obvious avenues of troubleshooting.

 

You said it worked til you plugged in the pedals? Does it work if you unplug them? If so trash your pedals.

 

If neither of them works, have you tested them on another computer, to make sure it's not an issue with yours specifically? Any computer will do, it just needs USBs, it doesn't matter if you think it's ''reasonable'' or not, that's something you need to isolate and verify. Half-assed troubleshooting is worse than none.

 

This started as a controller issue, but seems to have escalated tremendously with your attempts to 'fix it'. If you were starting with a clean install, it shouldn't be 'registry issues' or other similar matters, unless something simply installed incorrectly.

 

If you can't reacquire admin access to your computer, I'd start by reinstalling Windows, that will need to be done regardless.

 

Then TEST YOUR CONTROLLERS on another computer. Yes, things CAN AND DO spontaneously die. That's why you can buy something brand new and it potentially not function out of the box. It DOES happen. It takes 30 seconds to isolate if that's the cause, just plug them in to another computer and see. I had a year old 4k monitor spontaneously die on me. It DOESN'T MATTER it worked fifteen minutes ago. It doesn't NOW. End of story. And yes failures can be partial. Test it and see!

 

Then try them in your fresh install. Don't go running amok in window settings trying to make them work. They should work instantly, if they do not, then you either have bad hardware or a conflict. Testing them will guarantee which it is.

 

Buy a cheap joystick and test it to see if IT works. Return it either way, you're not out money, but it will help you isolate the problem. If you can afford a $2,500 gaming PC, you can afford a TEMPORARY $20 expenditure to make sure that PC is functioning properly.

 

For the possibility of a conflict, verify that the X45 works with Windows 10, it probably will but make sure. Then close all tertiary programs and AntiVirus running in the background on your PC (all the little things in the taskbar) then test it. I had an issue with Asus Sonic Suite one time that was causing irrational crashes with stuff that didn't like it. Sterilise your environment. If this solves it, you can begin testing to isolate which program or programs is causing the conflict.

 

Tbh, you sound like you're taking a slapdash approach and relying too much on 'I know this or that'. Calm down, take a breather. Take a methodical, all encompassing approach to your bughunt, and be open to the possibilities your testing reveal.


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I don't speak for ED, but I will speak as if I was in-charge of a similar company.

 

 

 

It's called reality, at least a good attempt to be very close to it.

 

 

 

 

Not business people, that's secondary.

 

 

 

 

They are irrelevant. They don't live in reality.

 

 

Sorry, but I have to defend this community, even if it may seem harsh, DCS is not invading or limiting any of the other communities, groups, markets, tech circles, niches out there. It is infact the other way around, the US Western ideas and political beliefs from places like Silicon Valley are trying to dominate and dictate how everything's going to run in the tech world, forcing their stuff and limiting flexibility, including on the PC, I will not tolerate such undemocratic practices.

 

 

99% of people dont live in reality. wow thats some claim to make. Generally its the exact opposte that 1% who claims everyone else is the problem not them.

 

lol meanwhile playing a simulator imitiating reality is actually reality? # hypocrisy

 

Seriously blaming this all on silicone valley? Did bill gates or steve jobs run over your dog or something,jeese. Business isnt the same thing s democracy. so you cant compare. they serve as examples rather. They arent "dictating anything. I dont see MS or Apple telling ED developers that they better program a certain way ... or else.

 

 

There are many ways to defend the flight sim community, but going into a ranting tirade against the greater or more influential software development communities, or against communities that aren't Niche is kinda unwarranted, and its unfair to judge them for that.


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At this point, I cannot do anything on my PC as the Administrator. Gaining Administrator access is impossible. Until I can get a solution to that I don't see anything else as being important because without any administrator access I cannot delete or configure any system files. I spent 3+ hours on trying to gain Administrator access this morning without luck - tried everything on Google I could find.

 

You bought a built and pre-configured PC. And it does not sound like it is a 'brand' computer. I have seen tons with similar issues as a result. Building a PC nowadays is no harder than putting together a lego set. And with a phone or a laptop around to access YouTube while building it, it is almost child's play. I don't say that to pour salt in a wound, for a novice it does seem like a big task to tackle, but once you look at the process, it is pretty basic and easy to do.

However, you are in a situation now that the people who built your PC need to address for you. THEY need to correct this Admin account issue. Have you tried reaching out to them? If not, a simple thing to do is wipe and reinstall a clean OS, you did get a copy of Win10 when you bought the PC right? (They gave you YOUR OWN legit copy right?) You for sure will have Admin rights then. It sucks this has been such a challenge for you but it seems you are trying to start out with a system that is not setup correctly to allow it to be easy for you.

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I have already posted help threads relative to all the problems I have had - both here and on other forums. I would also be more than willing to PAY for help but there is nobody to pay. Issues have not been configuring joystick buttons and such in game - issues are getting joysticks to function in windows 10. The issue with gaming on the PC is that it is a never ending nightmare of driver incompatibility and other hardware interface disasters. Things just don't work and to get them to work you need a computer science degree or more.

 

This is the entire reason games like DCS only appeal to a very tiny niche market. There are MANY people who are into history and aviation who would be thrilled to get into playing this - BUT - it is not possible. Average regular people do not have access because the technical knowledge required to actually get everything working is far beyond what 99% of the population possesses. At least with console games they actually work.

 

If you have a set that has 2 separate inputs then DCS may need support for it to detect them both as one, or so I think.

 

That's as far as I heard goes, I don't have such sticks, I only have a saitex FLY 5 which is a very basic stick.

 

I do have deep computer knowledge, but, if you want details on that you have to open a specific thread on the appropriate forum.

 

There are tons of PC maintenance forums, like TechPowerUp.com and SevenForums.com

 

Well, if you want to pay even, I am the kind of guy that would take the time, as I'm usually do too much, but those times are kinda getting behind, but right I happen to have the time for a few weeks, as I get started with an unrelated project, but later when I'm deep into it I probably won't have anymore for some time.

 

But you said there's a bunch of things going on not just the Saitek X54 problems, this Administrator Access thing isn't making sense to me because it's too little information to work with, you have to slow down and explain it step by step, however, that's just the way you have to work with, because if you would have experience on PC you'd just tell me the highlights and I would be able to know exactly what's wrong, but there's no point for you trying to figure out, so you just have to do it the old fashion way of telling me as much as possible what's bugging you.


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I seriously Doubt you'll See Anything outside of Windows Support,

 

This Includes Linux, Consoles (Xbox One/PS4 etc), Due to the Fact that a majority of the Simulator is Compiled on Windows Runtimes and The Graphics API as Well.

 

It's Been brought up before and the answer from the last 6 years ago is still the answer.

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