Ryzen price politics

[Pilotasso]

1800X prototype benchies with turbo disabled

 

[Pilotasso]

Ryzen 1600X (6 cores) benchies

 

 

more single core scores in cinebench 15

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[SkateZilla]

I wouldnt trust any bench that still reads "ENG SAMPLE", lol.

 

The new leaked 1700 Benches spank the pants off a $1100 chip at $389,

 

Intel is gonna panic.

[Farlander]

I wouldnt trust any bench that still reads "ENG SAMPLE", lol.

 

The new leaked 1700 Benches spank the pants off a $1100 chip at $389,

 

Intel is gonna panic.

 

it looks as though that the ryzen we saw at display by AMD earlier in their tests is actually the 1700x and not the 1800x.. that would be insanely impressive at it's price.. ~70-80% faster at 50$ more over the i7 7700k, or "1700x (1537 Cinebench) seems to be 85% performance of 6950X (1790 Cinebench) at 25% of its price"

[BitMaster]

The 1600x falls behind a well clocked 7700k in each and every category, benchmarked mine vs those numbers and I smoke that thing in 1st gear in SMP and MP, despite 2 cores less...they just run a lot faster and more than compensate the missing cores.

 

IF, on the other hand, Ryzen overclocks well...things get close again.

[Farlander]

What kind of overclock? because all graphs show the 1600 beating it by quite a bit in cinebench.. except for single core perf ofc

 

edit: ah, 5.0.. well, it has a lead at the moment without any overclock.. it will depend on how well it overclocks, it's a 6 core, so probably worse but maybe you can overclock a single core or something to get more out of it.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Farlander

[Brainless]

Ryzen 1800X (3.6/4GHz) have the same single thread performance as 6900K (3.2/3.7GHz) in Cinebench.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3171161/components-processors/amds-ryzen-launches-march-2-outperforming-intels-core-i7-at-a-fraction-of-the-price.html

 

As I expected Ryzen's IPC is slightly worse than Intel.

[Farlander]

Ryzen 1800X (3.6/4GHz) have the same single thread performance as 6900K (3.2/3.7GHz) in Cinebench.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3171161/components-processors/amds-ryzen-launches-march-2-outperforming-intels-core-i7-at-a-fraction-of-the-price.html

 

As I expected Ryzen's IPC is slightly worse than Intel.

 

yea, that's pretty much expected. but they have overshot their initial goal, and it should be around haswell single thread performance? still pretty good for games, and certinly shows potential for the lineup as a whole..

 

the overclockers also got all the 8 cores of the 1800x up to 5.1ghz or something on ln2 and set a new record in cinebench.. makes me wonder what we can expect to see on water, maybe as high as 4.5?. Especially on lower core cpu's, like the 1400x, 1600x etc. or overclocking single cores of teh processor, it might possibly be quite competitive.

 

personally i'm pretty "hyped", the single core performance would be an upgrade either way for me, and the overall performance of all the current chips they have shown is incredibly good.

[SkateZilla]

Ryzen 1800X (3.6/4GHz) have the same single thread performance as 6900K (3.2/3.7GHz) in Cinebench.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3171161/components-processors/amds-ryzen-launches-march-2-outperforming-intels-core-i7-at-a-fraction-of-the-price.html

 

As I expected Ryzen's IPC is slightly worse than Intel.

 

It'll always be this way, Intel has significantly larger R&D budget and resources, and everything is compiled to run on Intel's x86.

[Brainless]

Or maybe I'm wrong. Wow! :)

AMD had initially promised a 40% IPC increase with Zen architecture but they managed to break the limit and went past that. The final product we know today as Ryzen delivers a 52% IPC increase. This brings the IPC of Ryzen chips better than Intel’s Broadwell and somewhat on par with Skylake chips.

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[StandingCow]

Would be nice to see AMD make a comeback with this generation of processor. Competition is always a good thing for the customer.

 

Been a long time since I last had an AMD chip.

[BitMaster]

Thing is, you gotta OC that Ryzen a lot to compeete with also oc'ed Skylake and KabyLakes.

 

For example, if I boost mine to 5.1 ( which easily holds any game incl. DCS ) my IPC is beyond 3000....

 

Show me that Ryzen can grab that high and I am convinced !

 

Sure, it's unfair, as Ryzen will have to oc 8 cores whereas mine only needs to oc and feed 4 cores.

 

 

To stay real, I think anything passt 2500~2600 will yield excellent fps in DCS.

 

We are moaning and debatting on a very high and exclusive level guys :)

 

 

 

The weak spot seems to be the IMC according to newest articles of today/yesterday.

 

Honestly, I punished myself with those ultra fast RAMs, it is a pain to get it all stable together, actually almost impossible. It is a matter of what one defines as stable, 1h, 2h, 8h, a whole day, p95_old, p95_new, RB, Linpack, etc.... that all matters and one guys "I am stable at 5GHz may be not the same "stable" as some other guys "I am stable".

 

There are many shades of grey when overclocking

[Konovalov]

Just seen AM4 motherboard prices here in Australia. If I decide to go down the Intel route I have been considering a Asus ROG IX Maximus Hero which is AUD429. Yep expensive. The AMD equivalent ROG Crosshair VI Hero is AUD 349, 80 bucks less. So now is to see what AMD has equivalent performance to a Kaby i5-7600k and at how much less. As a package the AMD platform looks like it will have a significant price advantage over Intel. How is Intel going to respond if at all on pricing. Or will they release these two new Kaby CPU's as speculated in last couple of weeks while perhaps reducing pricing on some models.

 

 

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[BitMaster]

After 3 bricked Highest End boards from MSI and Asus with Z170 ( actually 4 with one Asus X99 WS board )I went the budget way with this board from sig and I must say...I doubt a 500€ board would clock anything 1MHz higher !

 

At least with the Z270 and KabyLake combo the board does not need to be top end to oc nicely.

 

All tests I have read have come to this conclusion, ALL. That was 1 reason to go low budget this time and put the money somewhere where you gett speed back, aka fast RAM or better CPU etc..SSD...whatever...but not an all LED blinking board that bricks cause the UEFI is so stuffed and more FW than one needs. Been there 4 times last 3 month, all high end boards BRICKED. 3 Gamer and 1 WS...and this little lousy board of mine now doesnt do any stupid stuff ! When oc'ed to far...no need to pull RAM or do a handstand with red shoes and sing Halejulia...like with the MSI.

 

just my 2 cents for any board that is called" Strix" Aorus" "Mx" " Maximus" etc.... they all FAILED. This cheap boards shows them what 5G 3866 feels like...for 157,-€

Edited February 23, 2017 by BitMaster

[SkateZilla]

-AMD 1800X is Already Amazon Top Seller

 

-AMD 1800X Overclcoked to 5.2 GHz Smashes Previous CinebenchR15 Record.

[Drag0nWIng]

that's funny to see the first page of this thread.

welcome to the top again.

make some noise.

///that 5.1 ghz is overclocking with LN2, won't happen under the normal usage.

[blkspade]

What I find a bit funny is that the 6900k gets 162 in the Cinebench single threaded test. My i7 4790k at stock settings already gets 165, and is currently getting 179 at 4.5Ghz. Makes any sort of upgrade a bit of a lateral move if I don't have the workload for all the extra threads. Though I ended up getting the i7 out of necessity, I have a real philosophical opposition to Intel. So if I ever upgrade, I'm happy that AMD chips are a real viable option again.

[Farlander]

Ryzen master - overclocking tool for ryzen supposedly has the ability to have diferent profiles for overclocking on the CPU and disabeling pairs of cores i believe. so if you have 8 core you can disable cores to make it 6, 4, 2 for supposedly better overclocking if that is needed for certain applications.

[SkateZilla]

you can overclock individual cores, as well as make an application profile to clock and disable cores when an Application is launched.

[Buzzles]

Hmmm. Everything is saying it's basically a good chip and a decent price point.

 

I'm in the market to rebuild my gaming pc (currently sporting an AMD Fx-8350).

 

I think I'll be sticking with Team Red :)

[Farlander]

Not official AMD graph:

 

[Buzzles]

Crikey. If that's even remotely right, ~one third / half the cost for approximately equivalent performance is a winning combination.

[Konovalov]

I'm really interested in the 5 series with 6 cores and 12 threads to see how they compare against the Intel I5-7600k and even the I7-7700k.

 

 

Ok now just read that the 5 series is planned to be released later in Q2 as late as June.

 

However the Ryzen 7 1700 looks interesting for such a low TDP part. Tweaktown has reported that a OCUK member has overclocked on the Asus Crosshair VI board to over 4Ghz on all 8 physical cores fully stable. That is pretty darn impressive. One other interesting thing to note is that the overclocks were far more successful on this and one other board. Very early days I guess. I'm sure all will be revealed when the NDA is lifted 3rd March and there is a torrent of reviews online. Guess I will have to lock myself away for a week to digest all the findings before determining weather to wait for the 5 series with 6 cores (12 threads) or going the full hog 8 core (16 thread experience).

Edited February 24, 2017 by Konovalov