Hardware Upgrade and no performance increase

[BitMaster]

Lol - first world problems! :)

 

 

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Yeah, I call it "Luxury Problem".

 

You 1st gotta get there the hard way to have that problem, kind of a blessing to have that problem then one could think !

 

 

But you are right, their is some "Doomsday" attitude with it, no doubt.

 

I had to spend the money, there was no way to cash it, after having 3 faulty high end boards I got this budget board and ended up with 150€ on my paper to spend...put it in the RAM and thought that is better than some gimmick water res with LED and stuff, wont speed the machine but looks only.

[SW0RDF15H]

Yeah, I call it "Luxury Problem".

 

 

 

You 1st gotta get there the hard way to have that problem, kind of a blessing to have that problem then one could think !

 

 

 

 

 

But you are right, their is some "Doomsday" attitude with it, no doubt.

 

 

 

I had to spend the money, there was no way to cash it, after having 3 faulty high end boards I got this budget board and ended up with 150€ on my paper to spend...put it in the RAM and thought that is better than some gimmick water res with LED and stuff, wont speed the machine but looks only.

 

 

 

Agreed!

 

 

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[Demon_]

you are wrong ( again )

 

What do you mean?

 

With respect, you're wrong.

 

The use of DDR4 RAM makes more difference than anyone will believe.

 

Upgrading the RAM from 2133Mhz to 3000Mhz, it's ok. But upgrading from DDR3 2133Mhz to DDR4 3000Mhz is not good. You need to purchase a new mobo and CPU. It's not worst the price. The i7 4790K (4.4Ghz) is probably as good as the i7 7700 (4.2Ghz) for DCS.

Edited February 14, 2017 by Demon_

[SW0RDF15H]

What do you mean?

 

 

 

Upgrading the RAM from 2133Mhz to 3000Mhz, it's ok. But upgrading from DDR3 2133Mhz to DDR4 3000Mhz is not good. You need to purchase a new mobo and CPU. It's not worst the price. The i7 4790K (4.4Ghz) is probably as good as the i7 7700 (4.2Ghz) for DCS.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. You mustn't give out advise about this stuff if you don't have the hardware yourself, to test your theory. 'Probably' isn't a word that should be used in discussions as technical as these. These sorts of comments lead people down the wrong road and ends up really wasting money. It's happened to me many times and the only way to know things for sure is to buy the gear and test it for yourself.

 

I have two computers, one with a 4790k, DDR3 2133mhz and the other with 6700k, DDR4 3600mhz AND a 3000mhz unit too. I have been endlessly testing these rigs on DCS 2.0 for months, buying countless hardware parts and monitoring the differences in performance between them. The advise I have been posting across these forums this week has been the result of a conclusive series of tests that I'm sharing to help people avoid wasting their time and money.

 

If you want a jump in performance, DDR4 is one of the biggest game changers I came across in said tests. Same applies for Projects Cars, just FYI

 

 

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[Demon_]

Message (it's not a theory) for every DCS pilots: Upgrading the trio (CPU, Mobo, RAM) for two generation higher (an unlock 4.4Ghz to a 4.2Ghz locked) is not worth the price. It's like, sale your 2014 Ford F150 for a 2017.

 

Please respect my opinion, and don't insult me with ridiculous arguments. I'm sorry too.

I'm an electronic technician (ex Nortel Networks).

Edited February 15, 2017 by Demon_

[pegasus1]

Run MSI Afterburner and observed resource use ingame. You will see (on DCS 2.0) that VRam is being heavily relied on as is the GPU and RAM, the CPU to a far lesser extent.

 

My 780GTX maxs out on VRAM, i use around 10GB of RAM and my quad core 2700K@4.9ghz is hardly working.

 

So your bottleneck is the GPU.

[BitMaster]

What do you mean?

 

 

 

Upgrading the RAM from 2133Mhz to 3000Mhz, it's ok. But upgrading from DDR3 2133Mhz to DDR4 3000Mhz is not good. You need to purchase a new mobo and CPU. It's not worst the price. The i7 4790K (4.4Ghz) is probably as good as the i7 7700 (4.2Ghz) for DCS.

 

Demon,

 

I like your energetic posts...but...you gotta read more closely and make comaprisons between apples vs apples and oranges vs oranges.

 

Look at your post where you definbe the clocks 4790k to 7700k ( Post #16 ) !

 

You grant the TurboBoost ( 4.4GHz ) for the 4790kbut put the 7700k to its stock clock of 4.2, which is then NOT CORRECT. The Turboboost for 7700k is 4.4GHz for ALL cores and 4.5 for 1 core, whereas the 4790k does afaik not clock all cores to 4.4 but only 1, all cores go to 4.2 iirc. Either way, you stole 300MHz from the 7700k :D

 

 

no big issue, just misleading those who dont know the CPU's details. I do and I have built multiple machines with 4790k and 6700k and 1 with 7700k. I have worked all those CPU's...almost to death hehe

 

 

Bit

[SW0RDF15H]

Demon,

 

I like your energetic posts...but...you gotta read more closely and make comaprisons between apples vs apples and oranges vs oranges.

 

Look at your post where you definbe the clocks 4790k to 7700k ( Post #16 ) !

 

You grant the TurboBoost ( 4.4GHz ) for the 4790kbut put the 7700k to its stock clock of 4.2, which is then NOT CORRECT. The Turboboost for 7700k is 4.4GHz for ALL cores and 4.5 for 1 core, whereas the 4790k does afaik not clock all cores to 4.4 but only 1, all cores go to 4.2 iirc. Either way, you stole 300MHz from the 7700k :D

 

 

no big issue, just misleading those who dont know the CPU's details. I do and I have built multiple machines with 4790k and 6700k and 1 with 7700k. I have worked all those CPU's...almost to death hehe

 

 

Bit

 

 

 

I think we're both wasting our breath dude. There's no helping some people. :S

 

 

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[Demon_]

Bit, i think it's not a K, it's a i7 77000 (Post #1). I like you too.

As you said, the i7 4790K is almost better than his successor (i7 6700K).

Edited February 15, 2017 by Demon_

[Drona]

You grant the TurboBoost ( 4.4GHz ) for the 4790kbut put the 7700k to its stock clock of 4.2, which is then NOT CORRECT. The Turboboost for 7700k is 4.4GHz for ALL cores and 4.5 for 1 core, whereas the 4790k does afaik not clock all cores to 4.4 but only 1, all cores go to 4.2 iirc. Either way, you stole 300MHz from the 7700k :D

 

I have the 4790k and I can confirm that all cores clock to 4.4GHz, at least that's what OpenHardwareMonitor tells me. :)

[BitMaster]

Bit, i think it's not a K, it's a i7 77000 (Post #1). I like you too.

As you said, the i7 4790K is almost better than his successor (i7 6700K).

 

ahhh ME IDIOT !!!

 

Yep, you are right, never looked at the 7700 LoL

 

 

If I had a 4790k I wouldnt bother upgrading the CPU/Mobo at all.

Those are damn good combos, some friends have them, I built them for them.

Reliable, fast and when combined with a Z97-k almost trouble free :)

[swissross]

Why the picture from Algonquin College Optophotonics Lab's website? Confused...

 

Message (it's not a theory) for every DCS pilots: Upgrading the trio (CPU, Mobo, RAM) for two generation higher (an unlock 4.4Ghz to a 4.2Ghz locked) is not worth the price. It's like, sale your 2014 Ford F150 for a 2017.

 

Please respect my opinion, and don't insult me with ridiculous arguments. I'm sorry too.

I'm an electronic technician (ex Nortel Networks).

[Demon_]

It's a OC-48/OC-3 Nortel system. I have tested/configured/debugged them (OC-3, OC-12, OC-48, OC-192, OC-48 Ring, etc) for 21 years. But it's out of topic, sorry.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Demon_