Pilotasso Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Real nice ! Do you keep it on the table or put it below ? No space on the desk as the pic below shows. I have it on the chair until I come up with a solution. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) Its benchmark time! OK guys so I ran DCS 2 over nevada. Test setup: Graphics settings used was the HIGH preset @1440P, with Vsync off so that doesnt get FPS capped. I5 System specs: 2500K@4.5Ghz 16GB RAM 1600MHZ CL 11 GTX 970 G1 Gaming stock Windows 7 R7 System specs: R7 1700X@3.5Ghz 16GB RAM @2933Mhz CL14 (I'm keeping the second kit in the box until BIOS updates) GTX 970 G1 Gaming stock windows 10 Here are the results: Mission start: 2500K=68 FPS, R7=71 FPS Over nellis: 2500K=58 FPS, R7=61 FPS Las vegas downtown: 2500K=30FPS, R7=33FPS Las vegas airport: 2500K=43 FPS; R7=41FPS The game reports very low GPU/CPU usage, TBH the results seem pretty much within margin of error. Kinda what I expected to be. Conclusions: ED better harness all this untapped hardware potential as the game optimization is falling behind what hardware can achieve these days. If your upgrading specifically for DCS and already have sandy bridge processors and up, save the money and get more memory, 8 or more GB and an SSD if you already dont have. Everything else is a waste of money. Below I post the screenshots for the timestamps above. The red FPS indication belongs to 2500K, the white FPS indication is R7 on windows 10 (for some reason it stays on on all games and cant get rid of it). Edited May 1, 2017 by Pilotasso [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 for those interested comparing results, see annexed track file: remember you must use same resolution and detail preset as I am.benchmark.trk [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Can you OC the R7? Are you planning a better GPU? Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Yes, and yes. I'm waiting for BIOS updates in order to be able to overclock CPU & RAM more safely. People have reported many horror stories with current beta BIOSes, so Im keeping it very conservative. Graphics card will be a VEGA in a month or two. The GTX 970 is just a placeholder. by that time I expect the R7 pull away even if the increase will be rather modest. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Congrats mate. Looks good! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 cheers! :thumbup: :drink: [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Out of interest I ran the benchmark track and used your timestamps above to note the FPS. i7-2700k@4.6ghz. 980ti. 16gb ram. 1440p. High preset but Vsync off. Mission start: 82 FPS Over nellis: 70 FPS Las vegas downtown: 35 FPS Las vegas airport: 45 FPS (appproximate as no timestamp above). Time for a 7700k user to do the same! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I would, but I don't have the Nevada map and i'm not sure I want it. Do a test on Caucasus. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penshoon Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) I ran the track on my pc (4790K @4,6Ghz + GTX1080 + 16GB DDR3) High preset@1440p Cpu bound for most of the track (80-95% gpu usage). Mission start: 123 FPS Over nellis: 104 FPS Las vegas downtown: 86 FPS Las vegas airport: 99 FPS Edited May 2, 2017 by Penshoon Otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 Looks like those results reflect the GFX rather than the CPU. FPS wise you getting pretty nice scaling there: 970<980Ti<1080 [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penshoon Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Looks like those results reflect the GFX rather than the CPU. FPS wise you getting pretty nice scaling there: 970<980Ti<1080 Definitely. The high preset uses 16xMSAA = very expensive to render for gpu. Lowering to 8x halves my gpu usage but doesn't affect fps much at all due to cpu bottleneck. Would be interesting to see yours & ///Rage's system perform with AA at 8x, 4x or maybe even completely off to eliminate gpu bottleneck for better comparison of cpu performance. Otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Indeed. Another test I did earlier but didnt post at the time. 1440p|4K|4K with DOF off, flat shadows, 2xAAonly, High vis Mission start: 82|55|97 Over nellis: 70|49|85 Las vegas downtown: 35|27|43 Las vegas airport: 45|34|55 Personally I run the above settings as 2AA is enough for me at 4K and I dont like the cockpit/dynamic shadows effect (too jaggeddy) or the DOF effects. Cant wait for Vega. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) well to minimize GPU bottleneck @1440 with High preset VSYNC off, I turned filters ANISO+MSAA off and then I get: Mission start: 89 FPS Over nellis: 77 FPS Las vegas downtown: 40 FPS Las vegas airport: 48 FPS Rage, maybe you can run these settings to compare as I cant go 4K :] Edited May 2, 2017 by Pilotasso [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wash_hoban Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 IS there a benchmarking track anywhere that can give good consistent results every time it is run ? Still rockin Windows 7 64bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 I overclocked the CPU to 3850Mhz, and tightened RAM timings to CAS 12-12-12-32-1T (kept @ 2933 because couldn't boot at 3200) results obtained: Mission start: 94 FPS Over nellis: 83 FPS Las vegas downtown: 47 FPS Las vegas airport: 53 FPS thats a 5 FPS increase across the board. But Las Vegas downtown upped by 7 FPS! [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 what are your ingame settings again ? would like to run it as well :) Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripRodriguez Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 That's part of the Fun! :) Nate This is how I roll. If you think you overspent, you should take a look at what I've done. I'll be paying credit card bills down for my sim setup for at least three years, and that is very optimistic. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Demo of my 6DOF Motion VR Sim: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I overclocked the CPU to 3850Mhz, and tightened RAM timings to CAS 12-12-12-32-1T (kept @ 2933 because couldn't boot at 3200) results obtained: Mission start: 94 FPS Over nellis: 83 FPS Las vegas downtown: 47 FPS Las vegas airport: 53 FPS thats a 5 FPS increase across the board. But Las Vegas downtown upped by 7 FPS! Good stuff? High preset with Vsync off and no aa/af@1440p? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Pedro= Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 GTX 1080 and 1440p monitor. What do you guys think ? For me 60FPS Vsync on is a must! Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X | i7 9700K@5.0GHz | Gainward Phantom GS RTX 3080 | 32GB DDR4@3200MHz | HP Reverb | TrackIR 5 | TM Warthog HOTAS | MFG Croswinds | DCS PD 1.0 / Steam VR SS 170% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) Good stuff? High preset with Vsync off and no aa/af@1440p? @1440 with High preset VSYNC off with filters ANISO+MSAA off so that I could compare with the previous non overclocked Ryzen test which is quoted below. so I got 5-7 FPS just upping 450Mhz and switching from CAS 15 to 12. well to minimize GPU bottleneck @1440 with High preset VSYNC off, I turned filters ANISO+MSAA off and then I get: Mission start: 89 FPS Over nellis: 77 FPS Las vegas downtown: 40 FPS Las vegas airport: 48 FPS Rage, maybe you can run these settings to compare as I cant go 4K :] I overclocked the CPU to 3850Mhz, and tightened RAM timings to CAS 12-12-12-32-1T (kept @ 2933 because couldn't boot at 3200) results obtained: Mission start: 94 FPS Over nellis: 83 FPS Las vegas downtown: 47 FPS Las vegas airport: 53 FPS thats a 5 FPS increase across the board. But Las Vegas downtown upped by 7 FPS! Edited May 8, 2017 by Pilotasso [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) Unfortunately when I ran DCS2 on my old 2500K I forgot to turn off MSAA and that introduced a GFX bottleneck. OK guys so I ran DCS 2 over nevada. Test setup: Graphics settings used was the HIGH preset @1440P, with Vsync off so that doesnt get FPS capped. I5 System specs: 2500K@4.5Ghz 16GB RAM 1600MHZ CL 11 GTX 970 G1 Gaming stock Windows 7 R7 System specs: R7 1700X@3.5Ghz 16GB RAM @2933Mhz CL14 (I'm keeping the second kit in the box until BIOS updates) GTX 970 G1 Gaming stock windows 10 Here are the results: Mission start: 2500K=68 FPS, R7=71 FPS Over nellis: 2500K=58 FPS, R7=61 FPS Las vegas downtown: 2500K=30FPS, R7=33FPS Las vegas airport: 2500K=43 FPS; R7=41FPS The game reports very low GPU/CPU usage, TBH the results seem pretty much within margin of error. Kinda what I expected to be. Conclusions: ED better harness all this untapped hardware potential as the game optimization is falling behind what hardware can achieve these days. If your upgrading specifically for DCS and already have sandy bridge processors and up, save the money and get more memory, 8 or more GB and an SSD if you already dont have. Everything else is a waste of money. Below I post the screenshots for the timestamps above. The red FPS indication belongs to 2500K, the white FPS indication is R7 on windows 10 (for some reason it stays on on all games and cant get rid of it). Even so I ran DCS2 again in these specific conditions with R7 overclocked and the results were: Mission start: R7=78 FPS Over nellis: R7=66 FPS Las vegas downtown:R7=37FPS Las vegas airport: R7=46FPS So comparing these results I made the chart below: Conclusion: Youll get at least 14% improvement going from sandy bridge to Ryzen with GFX bottle-necking in place and a 650Mhz disavantage!! Remember Im testing CPU+RAM differences here as the GFX is the same. But there's a caveat: looking at what others got with the 980Ti and 1080 I can safely assume that a new GFX like the 1080ti or VEGA would double or triple FPS, far exceeding what could be achieved with a processor change. In a final analysis, if you have sandy bridge and up and want to build for DCS specifically, just get a high end GFX. (I will verify this in 2 months) The only 2 variables capable of stopping this from being true is if you dont have enough RAM and no SSD. I can swear the later one is a BIG jump, just as important as a new GFX. Edited May 8, 2017 by Pilotasso [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) 1440p|4K|4K with DOF off, flat shadows, 2xAAonly, High vis Mission start: 82|55|97 Over nellis: 70|49|85 Las vegas downtown: 35|27|43 Las vegas airport: 45|34|55 well to minimize GPU bottleneck @1440 with High preset VSYNC off, I turned filters ANISO+MSAA off and then I get: Mission start: 89 FPS Over nellis: 77 FPS Las vegas downtown: 40 FPS Las vegas airport: 48 FPS Rage, maybe you can run these settings to compare as I cant go 4K :] I overclocked the CPU to 3850Mhz, and tightened RAM timings to CAS 12-12-12-32-1T (kept @ 2933 because couldn't boot at 3200) results obtained: Mission start: 94 FPS Over nellis: 83 FPS Las vegas downtown: 47 FPS Las vegas airport: 53 FPS thats a 5 FPS increase across the board. But Las Vegas downtown upped by 7 FPS! For me. 2700K@4.6ghz. 980ti. 16gb. High preset. Vsync off. AF/AA off. Mission start: 85 FPS Over nellis: 71 FPS Las vegas downtown: 46 FPS Las vegas airport: 53 FPS DCS is a strange beast. At lower FPS it gets bogged down and theres little (relatively) you can do about it... Edited May 8, 2017 by ///Rage [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit713 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 In My experience, FPS, it varies from modules as well. I have a high end machine with large water coolers to boot, and a pair of and R9 fury X's. DCS has always disappointed me. I can run other games like BF1, war hammer, and warhammer art of war III MAXED OUT all on ultra wide 34" 3440X1440 monitor. Apparently the Las vagus has better use of the processors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit713 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 You wouldn't happen to have the Spitfire module ? if you do or someone else, maybe it's worth =Spitfire and do the mission called the "Sochi air defense "that one seems to bog mine down To five frames per second, While attempting to get ready to take off (all the other spitfires are taking off at the same time as well.). And it doesn't seem to matter what setting I even put on as far as the screen I can run it in high definition or down to like 400 x 800 just runs the same the matter what I do . sorry not trying to rape your post. I'm just curious to see if anyone else has the same result as I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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