Flanker fans, you can't win

[Frostie]

Flanker fans give up, you can't win, not even low speed engagements with empty Flanker vs fully loaded F-15. Thrust Vector Control FTW :D

 

[Falcon_S]

That`s supa-dupa scooby doo and Garfield model F15-C :lol:

[GGTharos]

Flanker pilots rejoice! If you actually fly that merge correctly, there's not much the F-15 can do - but you actually have to plan your merge so that you win the one circle.

 

As for the 44deg of AoA, joke's on you. There are very official reports showing that the AoA on the F-15 can be easily spiked to that level.

 

Way to show off a flanker entering a 1-circle fight with an extra 200kph, failing to reposition (failing to realize he'll lose the 1-circle, thus not knowing he should reposition), and then drawing a conclusion that plainly shows that you don't even understand the most basic of BFM principles.

[Falcon_S]

Flanker pilots rejoice! If you actually fly that merge correctly, there's not much the F-15 can do - but you actually have to plan your merge so that you win the one circle.

 

As for the 44deg of AoA, joke's on you. There are very official reports showing that the AoA on the F-15 can be easily spiked to that level.

 

Way to show off a flanker entering a 1-circle fight with an extra 200kph, failing to reposition (failing to realize he'll lose the 1-circle, thus not knowing he should reposition), and then drawing a conclusion that plainly shows that you don't even understand the most basic of BFM principles.

 

Profanity in another language is still against the rules. You guys know there is such a thing as google translate right?

Edited April 5, 2017 by NineLine
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[Breakshot]

Flanker pilots rejoice! If you actually fly that merge correctly, there's not much the F-15 can do - but you actually have to plan your merge so that you win the one circle.

 

As for the 44deg of AoA, joke's on you. There are very official reports showing that the AoA on the F-15 can be easily spiked to that level.

 

Way to show off a flanker entering a 1-circle fight with an extra 200kph, failing to reposition (failing to realize he'll lose the 1-circle, thus not knowing he should reposition), and then drawing a conclusion that plainly shows that you don't even understand the most basic of BFM principles.

 

Drop by on our TS, Id be willing to wager BFM on any 51st pilot vs you, you can pick your opponent and AC.

 

But yes, your forum BFM is at elite level as usual... :megalol:

[GGTharos]

Then you shouldn't have written it :)

 

In case you're saying I was sad, no, the emotion was more like:

 

[GGTharos]

... says the guy who just watched a video of a flanker that blew a merge and then whined about an eagle spiking to 44deg.

 

Keep your wager, bring proof that something's wrong instead :)

 

I mean, something other than you assuming it's wrong.

 

(Oh yeah - for those of you reading this and actually care - my BFM isn't at elite level, in case you're wondering, my BFM analysis is just a bit better than the execution :D )

 

Drop by on our TS, Id be willing to wager BFM on any 51st pilot vs you, you can pick your opponent and AC.

 

But yes, your forum BFM is at elite level as usual... :megalol:

[Falcon_S]

@GG :)

 

 

or

 

You said:

very official reports showing that the AoA on the F-15 can be easily spiked to that level.

...that plainly shows that you don't even understand the most basic of BFM principles.

 

Me: E jebi ga sad! (sad = now)

 

This is not swearing on Serbian, more like ...jebi ga. :D

[OnlyforDCS]

Flanker fans give up, you can't win, not even low speed engagements with empty Flanker vs fully loaded F-15. Thrust Vector Control FTW :D

 

 

What exactly is wrong with this video? All I see is an F15C driver flying superbly to keep his energy advantage over the Flanker, and using gravity to point his nose down at the perfect moment.

 

You are saying that this shouldn't be possible, please can you tell us why?

Edited April 4, 2017 by OnlyforDCS

[Sweep]

 

https://youtu.be/YVaY6y32J6Q?t=669

 

Real world flight model displays this buggy AOA behavior too, apparently.

[Frostie]

Some of the replies to this thread are pretty disappointing to say the least. If you think going into a climb at 120 knots with a full payload and simply applying full back stick, full rudder and full throttle should perform such a stable maneuver at such high AoA with no wing rock, stall etc. then you need to take those rosey specs off.

[Ragnarok]

0:37 - 0.2G? why in turn up? Any movement upward, can not be less than n = 1

 

btw turn 180deg for 7-8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smhiMHx-w1s

Edited April 4, 2017 by Ragnarok

[Higgeh]

[Sweep]

Edited April 5, 2017 by Sweep
Edited out some snarky comment.

[lunaticfringe]

Tacview interpolates load as G isn't one of the object syntax areas, last time I looked at the format. Subsequently, I have a suspicion that it's calculating off of applied G versus airframe observed, meaning that the aircraft is seeing the 1+0.2: 1.2G while in the climb. And because it's having to interpolate based on range traveled, speed, and relative traverse, the nose isn't actually going much of anywhere during that period, hence the really low G readout.

 

This is why an actual track, to see what the gauges were saying, would be useful.

 

0:37 - 0.2G? why in turn up? Any movement upward, can not be less than n = 1

 

btw turn 180deg for 7-8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smhiMHx-w1s

[gavagai]

I rarely fly the FC3 planes, so maybe my opinion is uninformed, or maybe it is unbiased (you decide).;)

 

What I see is a fatal misjudgment of energy states. The slower F-15 firing guns and then launching a 120C (???) is defensive. Instead of flying straight at the F-15, the faster Su-27 needs a bit of lateral or vertical displacement to turn his superior energy state into an angles advantage. Instead, the Su-27 made his greater airspeed a disadvantage because of the larger turning circle (as pointed out above).

 

Fly to a point behind the bandit, not at him, and certainly not in front of him.

[wilky510]

But yes, your forum BFM is at elite level as usual... :megalol:

Absolutely hilarious coming from a 51st member.

 

 

Id be willing to wager BFM on any 51st pilot vs you, you can pick your opponent and AC.

I'll chalk this up to the #5958090 brag i saw from a 51st member.

[GGTharos]

Bad merge plan, bad follow up, no excuses.

 

I rarely fly the FC3 planes, so maybe my opinion is uninformed, or maybe it is unbiased (you decide).;)

 

What I see is a fatal misjudgment of energy states. The slower F-15 firing guns and then launching a 120C (???) is defensive. Instead of flying straight at the F-15, the faster Su-27 needs a bit of lateral or vertical displacement to turn his superior energy state into an angles advantage. Instead, the Su-27 made his greater airspeed a disadvantage because of the larger turning circle (as pointed out above).

 

Fly to a point behind the bandit, not at him, and certainly not in front of him.

[Sweep]

Bad merge plan, bad follow up, no excuses.

 

Inb4 "what is a merge plan"

[NineLine]

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