insane roll rate - totally unrealistic

[ViFF]

Seems like the FM has been taken to the extreme opposite in the roll axis.

 

My observations:

 

1. No acceleration into or out of the roll at all only "bang on" insane roll rate immediately as the PC joystick is hammered to any side.

 

2. No difference between heavy loaded with bombs and fuel tanks on wing pylons vs clean - same insane roll rate.

 

3. At slow speed there is no de-acceleration out of the rolling momentum as if this bird has FBW that gives "opposite" control surface movement to stop the roll immediately when PC joystick is centered.

 

I am familiar with the data of 400 something deg per second - this relevent to a clean aircraft at combat speed and after the roll is fully developed.

 

Sorry but for me the MiG-21 goes back to the hangar until this is fixed.

 

S!

[BadHabit]

Finally someone who sees what I see!

[humptydumpty]

There are a few quirks for me.

 

Low speed roll felt good like there was inertia. But at higher speed she feels like paper.

 

There is no drag / weight issues when one of the gears is out.

 

when flaps are deployed no ballooning effect, she has small wings but i don't expect some ballooning

 

I can't land this baby anymore :( always bounce back up :( i used to land her but not anymore but this could be related to my Logitech attack 3 not sure though.

[BadHabit]

I would return to the old binaries if someone could tell me how without using all of my activation's again.

Not because it was accurate or this is inaccurate cause I'll never know the numbers but cause the former was closer in what I think a plane acts on the air and I back up everything VIFF posted.

[DaveRindner]

I tend to agree. Now that 1.5.6 and 2.0.5 DRN has been resolved!

Mig21 is now very twitchy, extremely sensitive to roll, and minor PIO. I flattened roll, rudder, and pitch curves to have 3 in deadzone, 10 in curve. Initially I like nimble handling, then found myself with hands full of airplane. Now , not so much.

I noticed that as the stick deflects out deadzone, aircraft twitch while rolling, almost like a maximum snap roll. In pitch the same twitchy oversensitive pitch creates small PIO, but makes AG targeting, strafing, and rockets significantly more difficult.

Recovery (landing) is now very difficult. As soon as I touchdown, even the smallest rudder deflection, makes aircraft snake on runway, snapping off the main gear, and or tilting the aircraft.

Drag chute. refuses to pop-out about in 80% of time. I have not forgotten to zero out gear breaks, so the air pressure is maintained.

[BadHabit]

I tend to use the SAU Stabilizer system to make the aircraft behave as I like makes maneuvers and flight more smooth and accurate, but still for me this is not a solution since at low speeds the dumbering (landing etc) of the stabilizer will create response problems.

[Johnny Dioxin]

Just for info as I guess English isn't your native lingo - de-acceleration is called deceleration ;)

 

I think a few of the models are too sensitive, but I simply adjust my stick curves to compensate (Flankers and Tiger come to mind).

 

I've not flown the Bison for a while due to it's issues. Indigogo backer as well.

[Dolphin887]

Stability/agility will be improved for the next update. We had no time to allocate to tune it better concerning the more important patch preparation we had to do.

本帖最后于2017年5月2日，由Dolphin887编辑
typo

[BadHabit]

Hopes for the best! Versions 1.2.16 and or 1.5.3 is a good place to start :D

[Verde]

But i hope you don`t overshoot it the other way. In my opinion as plane is basicly a dart it should have very lov inertia and sharp movement for roll at speed. I like this FM far more better than old one. Remember guys that if you use joistick fithout extensions it will be fast. but with propper extension, to make stick as long as ir RL it seems quite good. Certenlyt better than old one. As nor me or you have flown ther real thing it is hard to tell.

[Verde]

Sorry for double post, but it is interesting to see if those who say its to sharp use longer joysticks;) Y see if you have extensions the sharp movements are naturaly made less sharp. It the same as playing racing games with wheel or joystick. As i said i do not thing that Mig-21 model is very far away, mayby tine bit too much, but not as ther old one for sure.

[iLOVEwindmills]

No idea what you guys are talking about, landings and manoeuvres are smoother and more precise than they have ever been.

[BadHabit]

But i hope you don`t overshoot it the other way. In my opinion as plane is basicly a dart it should have very lov inertia and sharp movement for roll at speed. I like this FM far more better than old one. Remember guys that if you use joistick fithout extensions it will be fast. but with propper extension, to make stick as long as ir RL it seems quite good. Certenlyt better than old one. As nor me or you have flown ther real thing it is hard to tell.

Still moving the stick slightly will force me to roll more than I wanted with my curve setting already at 35, I own an x52 and I don't plan to change it or use extension. Back in 1.2 we had a great FM in all aspects and I don't think an insane roll rate plus overdone sensitivity can characterize the Bis or any fighter that uses only the pilots inputs and not a computer.

[iLOVEwindmills]

Still moving the stick slightly will force me to roll more than I wanted with my curve setting already at 35, I own an x52 and I don't plan to change it or use extension. Back in 1.2 we had a great FM in all aspects and I don't think an insane roll rate plus overdone sensitivity can characterize the Bis or any fighter that uses only the pilots inputs and not a computer.

 

14 curvature with 82 saturation, standard warthog stick. I have no problems with accuracy.

[probad]

i don't have any roll curves and i use an unextended stick with no problems so i can't imagine how hamfisted you have to be with the stick

[Wizard_03]

Feels great too me as well, much more presice on rolls. Using tmw.

[javelina1]

I'm using a 120mm extension on the Hawg. Plus, I have the curves set per the manual. Able to land, etc, just fine.

[BadHabit]

Saitek X 52 standard built. I fly any other sim or module with no problem.

[humptydumpty]

Logitech attack 3 extended by 2 feet. I have roll and pitch to 20s , i feel there is no weight

本帖最后于2017年4月8日，由humptydumpty编辑

[Wizard_03]

Have you tried rebinding the axis in settings your curves seem super high

[Wright_GR1]

Loving the new roll rate myself, 20 curve on each axis sorted me out and now she is a nimble little aircraft, just as god intended.

[Madcop]

No idea what you guys are talking about, landings and manoeuvres are smoother and more precise than they have ever been.

 

 

 

+1

[Fri13]

 

 

you are not holding a heavy stick like they do, so you can slam easier all...

本帖最后于2017年4月8日，由Fri13编辑

[gavagai]

 

That one at 0:43 is pretty darn close to the Mig-21 as it is now. The FM might require some fine tuning, but the new roll is what a missile with wings is supposed to do.

[*Rage*]

30cm extension here. I love the new FM.